A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase in a more aggressive way.
Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: > Anything happening in this regard? > > -Harish > > Costin Manolache wrote: > > > Ted Husted wrote: > > > >> > >> Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one > >> on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I > >> believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the > >> PMC; we should tender the offer to every Jakarta committer and let > >> each decision-maker decide for himself or herself. > > > > > > > > > >> If the consensus is that the "bootstrap" PMC will continue to > >> hand-pick which of our duly-elected committers are promoted to the > >> PMC, and which are not, then so be it. But, personally, I think that > >> process is nothing but busy work. The community has already decided. > >> Let's ratify the community's decisions and let Jakarta be whatever > >> Jakarta wants to be. > > > > > > +1 > > > > It seems this is the consensus, to add most committers - one by one or > > ten by ten. Let's go with that for now, almost everyone is agreeing with > > the goal of having everyone who cares included ( I didn't see a vote > > yet, but it seems pretty clear we agree on this ). > > > > I don't like the process of "hand-picking" either - unfortunatly that's > > the norm in ASF ( membership and all other PMCs use the same mechanism). > > > > I hope after we get past the first stage we can have a [VOTE] and > > change this to people _volunteering_ for PMC - by sending a mail with > > "subscribe" subject and the list of sub-projects the person is > > volunteering to monitor. > > > > > > IMO the only way out of this discussion is to divide the problem into > > very small pieces and have real VOTEs and counting of each of them. > > Proposals with more than 1 "atom" have no chance, and most of the > > problems occur because everyone seems to think he knows what the others > > think without asking. > > > > Please people, write down what you want, separate it in very elementary > > pieces, then post a VOTE and see what the majority things ( it may be > > "consensus" or a simple majority - but at least you'll know what other > > think ). > > > > Like: > > > > 1. Extend the PMC: > > - to include all committers ( even if the don't want ) > > - to include all the comitters who want > > - to include all who want and prove they understand the rules > > > > 2. Future extension of the PMC: > > - hand-picking by current people > > - people volunteering - because we trust them already to write the code > > and do the work, and it's fair to let them join whenver they want. > > > > > > 3. Jakarta and TLPs > > - 'encourage' every subproject to TLP > > - let each subproject decide if they want to leave jakarta- without > > encouragements > > - 'encourage' only subprojects that have problems > > - do a selection based on some characteristic ( like projects that > > "fit" togheter - whatever that means) > > - try to keep jakarta togheter and increase the community ( as > > jakarta-commons did ). If someone really wants to go - of course let him. > > > > 4. Is jakarta a good thing ? > > - yes, not perfect but we are improving and working better with other > > jakarta people > > - no, it's just a mess > > - yes, other projects should do what jakarta does ! > > > > > > I hate when people keep talking about "consensus" and argue as if they > > knew what the consensus was, but we don't have even the most elementary > > vote to indicate what a majority thinks. > > > > And BTW - please make sure that the votes explicitely state that all > > _committers_ should vote, but only PMC member votes are binding !!! > > That's why people should volunteer for PMC, however this is about > > jakarta and comitters are what jakarata means. > > > > > > Costin > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
