I regret that you had a bad experience with OJB and lost development time and effort as a result -- and I want to make OJB better. OJB has definite rough spots, I certainly cannot claim otherwise. It does do a lot of things very well though, and I intend to do what I can to help it get even better (and clean up the rough spots). Release management is something we have done very poorly thus far.
I wasn't asking you why were looking at Hibernate (it is a great project), I was offering to try to help make OJB work for you in order to help solve your problem (O/R mapping compatible with the restrictions on what we can put in ASF cvs) as Hibernate, unfortunately, cannot to my knowledge be linked in ASF codebases. I don't have any investment in whether you use OJB, Hibernate, TJDO, Cayenne, Speedo, EJB-CMP, iBatis, Spring-DAO, or Fazoogle Data Objects.
-Brian
On Apr 20, 2004, at 4:28 PM, David Sean Taylor wrote:
On Apr 20, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that, I am also sorry to see that I cannot find any posts from you ojb-users or ojb-dev list archives about this =( OJB can be a bear, but the problems you seem to have had (based on the bile in the last email) sound like there was a misunderstanding on how something works.I see you are trying to put me in a bad light in defense of your project, and I don't appreciate it.
I am not the OJB advocate at Jetspeed.
Search for Scott Weaver and David Le Strat's posts
Or contact Scott or David directly. They can explain the issues much better than I.
I invite you to discuss this on the jetspeed-dev list.
Scott has a lot of OJB experience and I believe he understands OJB very well.
Perhaps its bile to you. But you asked why we were looking at Hibernate, and I was simply trying to explain to you a very bad experience with OJB.
On the Hibernate thing -- you could adapt the Cocoon approach and have a non-ASF site with ASL incompatible modules.
Yes, this sounds like a solution. So we host a non-apache maven site with ASL incompatible modules. Thanks for your help. I do look forward to trying out Hibernate.
-Brian
On Apr 20, 2004, at 3:15 PM, David Sean Taylor wrote:
On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Brian McCallister wrote:
As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL code in ASL code that we host.We've had quality issues with release candidates failing where previous release candidates worked.
On a tangentially related not -- if there is anything that Hibernate does that OJB doesn't, let us know and we'll fix that problem =) The only major feature Hibernate has that OJB does not is a marketing budget, to my knowledge.
We are now at the point where we need RC5 for one component, and RC4 for another.
Many hours were spent debugging OJB and it caused us weeks of lost development time. The OJB error messages are not helpful.
In Jetspeed we have a persistence layer and would like to try writing a plugin for Hibernate to see if we get more stability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- David Sean Taylor Bluesunrise Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] [office] +01 707 773-4646 [mobile] +01 707 529 9194
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
