Hi Henri, Thanks for a whole bunch of stuff to discuss! I guess the logo issue should be put top priority. # Actually, I didn't realize we had an English top page until you pointed it out. :)
We'll get back to you in a while... Until then, On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:52:10 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Shinobu Kawai wrote: > > > Hi Henri, > > > >> Trademarks/branding also worry me a bit. Do we have to do anything to give > >> you permission to use the Feather etc (Apache have been increasingly > >> protecting it recently). If we stick with the current l&f, it looks like > >> an Apache site, but with no actual affiliation to Apache, so I suspect > >> that someday I'll get a browbeating from the board. > > > > When you said "use the Feather", did you mean the use of the Jakarta > > logo (http://jakarta.apache.org/images/jakarta-logo.gif) or the actual > > feather in the image of the Ja-Jakarta logo > > (http://www.jajakarta.org/images/jajakarta.png)? Maybe both? > > Yep, both pretty much. As far as I understand, trademarks and logos etc > need to be actively defended to keep them; so while there's no obvious > issue with you guys using it, somebody who is using it for evil purposes > can point to your use and claim that Apache is not defending its brand > properly. I assume the solution is for us to make sure there's permission > for you to use the logo etc. > > > One more question. Are there any restrictions to using jakarta-site2 > > (or a modification of it) to build sites for non-ASF projects? If > > not, I don't see any problems with having the same l&f. Or am I > > missing a point? > > No problem with using it I think, the only issues that need to be figured > out properly are the branding/logos, I think. I've a fair number of > suggestions for, at least, the English translation of your homepage to do > with trying to avoid confusion on the navigation, I'll add some to the end > of this email. > > My current thoughts are that the best way for translation sites to > continue are much along the lines that they currently do. Largely > independent communities who are helping to spread the Apache/Jakarta > brand. > > We would ensure that there is a liaison to the Apache/Jakarta community > (for example I would put your name/email down somewhere as the liaison to > the JaJakarta group); we would get the ASF legal people to write something > simple giving permission to 'use the feather' and the name 'jakarta' > provided a timely response to requests; and we'd link to your site from > ours. I need to pitch this idea to the pmc/board etc, but it seems > reasonable. > > -- > > Suggestions for JaJakarta: > > This is from the English page as I don't speak any Japanese, but a lot of > it may carry over. First off, some suggestions of improvements to the > text: > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Ja-Jakarta Project > > The Ja-Jakarta project is a Japanese user group who use various > Java products provided by the Apache Software Foundation, in particular > its Jakarta project. > > Our purpose is to: > > * Translate Jakarta documentation into Japanese > * Internationalize Apache products and provide feedback them to the > Jakarta project > * Promote Jakarta products in Japan > > About Our Web Site > > The content of our web site is written in Japanese. If you would > like to see it, you should add "ja (japanese)" to your web browser's > language setting (Firefox users need to install a "Language Menu" > extension.). > > The Japanese top page is here. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Hoepfully that's all okay. Just a bit of improvement with regards to the > bastard child of French and German that we all know as English. > > The navbar is where I'm concerned there is going to be confusion between > Jakarta and JaJakarta: > > s/Check it out!!/News/ > s/News/JaJakarta News/ > s/Subprojects/Translations/ > > The names of the Apache projects should be more detailed nowadays. Apache > Ant, Jakarta Cactus, Apache Struts, Jakarta Velocity etc. > > Although it adds to the length, it would be nice to have changes (at least > for the English version) for: > > s/Get Involved/Get Involved in JaJakarta/ > s/Project Management/JaJakarta Management/ > > The Jakarta News page (honke.html) hasn't had an update since last May. > > The favicon.ico would probably be better if it was the pink flower and not > pikachu (or something that looks similar at this screen size :) ). > > Lastly, the book advert is a little out of character for an Apache > project. It does list JaJakarta as one of the authors, which is pretty > cool, but aren't there other Japanese books on Apache Java projects that > you could list too? Even if you list JaJakarta first. Basically looking to > make sure you can't be accused of using the Apache brand to sell the book. > > -------------- > > Thoughts? > > Hen Best regards, -- Shinobu -- Shinobu "Kawai" Yoshida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
