the short cut is hard-wired in the verb sv_key_press inside file ide/gtk/source/term/event.ijs
you also need to further decode state to get the hyper, super or meta key modifiers, an example is given in event.ijs of felidae3 Please try it by yourself or post questions if you find any difficulties in building the ide/gtk from source. Пнд, 21 Фев 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): > Thanks, Joey, you've mostly said it for me. > > First, I salute jsoftware for deigning to support the Mac *at all* > with a Mac-enabled product. Otherwise what's a nose-wrinkle would be a > show-stopper for me vis-a-vis JGTK. > > A Mac-savvy product is a different matter, and would demand a > dedicated Mac developer (if not a whole development team). IMO (as a > former Apple associate) the Mac community cannot acceptably be served > with a few defensive hacks to the user interface of a Windows/Linux > product. I cannot in all conscience ask Jsoftware to even try. It's a > business case (or a strategic one) and one I personally am in no > position to make for them. > > Support for GTK in the Mac community is conspicuous by its > half-heartedness... that's my impression when I follow the links from > the GNU site & sourceforge. This should come as no surprise as the Mac > has had a groundbreaking proprietary ui since 1983. Perhaps interest > in GTK is confined to small developers aiming to release a cross > platform product, eg stats packages developed by universities? Ergo, > effort expended on pleasing Mac end-users where GTK is concerned is > effort wasted. Enough that a developer can get at the works. > > My remark about shortcuts corresponding to menu items is one I'll > stand by, however. The present treatment of advance-lab signals > unmistakeably to the Mac-savvy J-novice that (as Chris admits) the > Mac/JGTK interface is for jocks and novices don't figure. Best get the > message right at the start. > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Joey K Tuttle <[email protected]> wrote: > > Response from a Mac (and Linux/Unix - never Windows) user - > > > > In Apple Terminal (and all Unix terminals) my main (almost exclusive) > > environment for J use - Ctrl+j means "enter line" Cmnd+j means "Jump > > to selection" -- I don't have any problem using Ctrl+j for enter, > > seems natural (and it is the standard meaning of ASCII character > > 10{a.). > > > > I will say that, in my experience, keyboards are more problematic > > than character sets (thinking APL here). Moving to a new/different > > environment almost always causes some consternation. Chord key > > combinations amplify that consternation. > > > > Personal customization, as suggested by Chris, is an answer to > > complaints - but it may be more difficult than you expect to get > > consensus from the "four Mac users" .... > > > > - joey > > > > > > At 11:03 AM +0000 11/02/21, Ian Clark wrote: > >>< Rant > > >>Menus are the first line of recourse for the novice. And who are the > >>Labs meant for, if not novices? > >> > >>The Macintosh Human Factors Guidelines used to warn against > >>key/modifier chords which correspond to no menu item. Loose > >>"shortcuts" are a Windows abuse and diagnostic of an app developed > >>with little or no concession to novices. > >> > >>Ctrl in Windows is (usually) the counterpart of Cmnd ( ) on the Mac. > >>But nowadays Mac keyboards offer a Ctrl key also, as a concession to > >>ex-Windows customers (...growing) -- particularly users of M$Word, > >>which has been re-ported to the Mac with little or no understanding of > >>novice needs. There's no good reason for a novice ever to buy M$Word: > >>the kludge is aimed at an existing audience. Which is, they'd > >>arrogantly maintain: everybody (...who matters). Hence the need to > >>offer a Ctrl key. > >> > >>But on the Mac: Ctrl+J to advance a Lab is Ctrl+J in JGTK not J ...it > >>appears to be the sole exception to the "rule" Ctrl+ --> . > >> > >>I'd have pointed this out before but I don't know if anyone's > >>listening. (How many Mac users are there on this list? Four?) > >></ Rant > > >> > >> > >>On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, chris burke <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> I think it should be enough to say: > >>> > >>> "To advance the lab, press Esc A in JHS, or Ctrl-J in Gtk." > >>> > >>> I updated the lab script for this. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> This should now read: > >>>> To advance the lab, if you are using the JHS front end, select > >>>>menu Studio|Advance Lab or the corresponding shortcut (Esc,a), > >>>>otherwise if you are using the Gtk front end then select the menu > >>>>Help|Studio|Advance Lab or the corresponding shortcut (Ctrl+j). > >>>> (Note the Gtk menu item doesn't exist yet but probably should). > >>>> > >>>> Seems harder than it needs to be to me! > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Ajith Prasad <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2011 17:08 > >>>> To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: [Jgeneral] Shortcut for advancing the Lab menus? > >>>> > >>>> Lab: A Taste of J (1) > >>>> To advance the lab, select menu Studio|Advance or the > >>>> corresponding shortcut. > >>>> > >>>> ********************************** > >>>> > >>>> As "Studio|Advance" does not appear on the j701gtk menu, what > >>>>would the shortcut be? 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