We have managers because we have a paid staff, period.

We discuss management matters on the public mailing lists because we are maintaining a transparent organization because it aligns with our values and organizational mission. If the messages bother you then don't read them, discussions such as changing the office hours time are on the public list to maintain transparency but we don't assume every subscriber is going to care about them, it's just is a matter of policy that these things be addressed publicly.

Although I've never seemed to think the high level of competence at OSAF was a negative quality I now know that my opinion is not shared with the entire world. If you would like you can address this concern to the list the next time we have a discussion about the OSAF structure and participation, I suggest you use the subject "Please try to involve more commiters/members who are not very smart and haven't been successful anywhere else ever".

If it makes you feel any better my experience has been that OSAF has a very high level of dedication and the everyone wants to ship the products we are working on very much and we are working very hard to do so, in fact we have people who take the time to answer angry emails at 1am PST.

-Mikeal

On Sep 5, 2006, at 12:41 AM, stephen white wrote:

The adminstrivia of adjusting IRC time to 30 mins, along with the other messages in here which twiddle this way and fiddle that way while Rome burns.

No one incidence in specific, no message in specific, but the overall approach. It's all upper-management stuff, Type 2, which reflects the kernel of truth in the observation that this project is formed by successful people.

I apologise for the brutal grunt tone of my message, but I've been watching these things go past for more than a year... and every now and then, I think you need to hear from the trench types - I'm not saying anything here that the average worker doesn't say every day about management in their workplace.

You're too good, that's the problem... you need some desperate people clawing for a piece of the pie, willing to get something out that has a chance!
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