Hi Jared,
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On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Jared Rhine wrote:
Mimi Yin wrote:
There are 2 separate pages. 1 for the Wiki Homepage which
describes the project from more of an organizational / technical
standpoint.
And then there is the landing page, which is really our
billboard / PR / end-user focused / sell page.
So that was my confusion. We need to have an URL that is not
chandlerproject.org for the Wiki Homepage.
Any thoughts?
I'm solid on the proposal and status now, too.
For next steps, I worry that the two will remain somewhat confusing
as long as they sorta feel like "2 home pages, for different things".
To me, the landing page has more weight and prominence. It's at
the top of the URL space, it's shortest, it's at the "root". It's
clearly *the* homepage, if we stopped counting at one.
The wiki homepage seems to fall into an "about this wiki"
category. It nicely explains the wiki areas, and provides links to
all the regular wiki navigation and even some deep links. But once
reviewed, wiki travelers are likely to favor the the left and top nav.
The Wiki Homepage is also meant to provide an introduction to
Chandler as an open source project, as opposed to Chandler as a
product. (Oops, I see your response to the Project Description
thread. Looks like we're on the same page for this.)
A couple of thoughts:
* It's a little weird that the landing page has one more link than
the regular wiki left nav (to "Project Wiki"). I wonder if there's
a way to keep the list the same between homepage and wiki while
leaving it obvious that there's an "about this wiki" page
(ChandlerProjectHome). Or could put "Project Wiki" in the wiki left-
nav and have it go to ChandlerProjectHome too.
There are already slight differences between the 2 sidebars. For
example, the wiki sidebar has a link for downloading, which the
landing page sidebar does not because we devote more real estate and
graphics to it on the landing page.
I'm not sure how important it is to have identical sidebars at this
point.
I think our goal for Preview was just to make it clear that the 2 are
part of the same family. So you don't feel like you wandered onto a
completely unrelated thing.
* It's too bad that really the only wiki nav that's missing from
the landing page is the top-nav areas (Product, Teams, Develop,
Notes). I feel like I'll end up clicking down into the wiki home
just to get the area nav, instead of actually needing the "intro"
again.
Do you think you'll always start at the landing page? I've generally
thought of the landing page as a separate entity from the wiki. A one-
off billboard for end-users with links to content on the wiki. (It
appears we had a serious mind-split at some point. I clearly didn't
fully appreciated the consequences of making the wiki URLs
chandlerproject.org/xxx.)
* It certainly seems like the page could stay reasonably where it
is, and use that as a final URL. I don't know that a new URL would
add much unless we wish to make that page more official than being
linked to
* If you've arguments against Product/ChandlerProjectHome as a
final location, we can consider something like Main/WebHome. I've
cut-and pasted the content of ChandlerProjectHome into there
(removing the redirect), so you can try it out.
I don't think it should remain in the Product Wiki as it is meant to
be a portal page for the entire wiki. Can it be chandlerproject.org/
WikiHome?
This has probably been implicit, but where do you see the "Chandler
Project" graphic logos linked to, assuming they do? Probably the
ChandlerProjectHome would make the most sense given the current
design.
Yes, they are meant to link to the Wiki Homepage.
Overall it feels like we're close to having a perfectly workable
solution to getting the landing page and wiki home resolved pretty
quick. With recent CSS hacking on the landing page, I'm eager to
post it now!
Yes! It'll be good to get this up so we can test it.
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