Topics (messages 13110 through 13125):
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13110 - Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13111 - Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13112 - Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13113 - Cheng Renquan<crq...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13114 - Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13115 - Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13116 - Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13117 - Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13118 - Paul Hartman<paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13119 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13120 - Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13121 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13122 - Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net>
[gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13123 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org>
[gentoo-amd64] Re: Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
13124 - Duncan<1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>
13125 - Duncan<1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>
Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
the plain vanilla source.
After rebooting to the command console, and before starting X, I needed
to re-install the nvidia-driver module for the new kernel. Doing
"emerge nvidia-drivers" gave me the following error (the entire build log
is attached):
Source prepared.
Configuring source in
/tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
Source configured.
Compiling source in
/tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
Preparing nvidia module
make -j9 HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-
'LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64' IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
emake failed
ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1 failed (compile phase):
Unable to emake HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64
IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 85: Called src_compile
environment, line 3711: Called linux-mod_src_compile
environment, line 2668: Called die
The specific snippet of code:
eval "emake HOSTCC=\"$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\"
The first part of the build log (see attached file) indicates that the
kernel source was correctly found (at /usr/src/linux), but for some
reason the make process fails.
Could this be due to some changes in the kernel-3.3.0 tree?
Frank Peters
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
the plain vanilla source.
<SNIP>
The first part of the build log (see attached file) indicates that the
kernel source was correctly found (at /usr/src/linux), but for some
reason the make process fails.
Could this be due to some changes in the kernel-3.3.0 tree?
Frank Peters
Possibly this from Google will help?
Good luck& post back,
Mark
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possibly this from Google will help?
Did you intend to include a link? If so, it must have gotten
lost somewhere.
Frank Peters
I have switched to nouveau driver, for over 1 year,
using with gnome3 interface, no performance issue, and quite stable,
enjoying every mainline kernel 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, no building issue
I think it's time for everyone to give up nvidia-drivers, the blob of binary
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
the plain vanilla source.
After rebooting to the command console, and before starting X, I needed
to re-install the nvidia-driver module for the new kernel. Doing
"emerge nvidia-drivers" gave me the following error (the entire build log
is attached):
Source prepared.
Configuring source in
/tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
Source configured.
Compiling source in
/tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
Preparing nvidia module
make -j9 HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-
'LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64' IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possibly this from Google will help?
Did you intend to include a link? If so, it must have gotten
lost somewhere.
Frank Peters
Gadzooks, yes I did. Sorry!
http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
To be clear, I have no idea if it will solve your exact problem. It
didn't for all.
My experience with nvidia is pretty good if you give them a couple of
days, but very spotty on the first or second day a new kernel minor
rev is released. Nominally I use this page:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/indexsg.aspx?lang=en-us
and then search out my specific card to determine what _exact_ driver
they want me to run. It almost always requires i run ~amd64.
HTH,
Mark
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Cheng Renquan<crq...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have switched to nouveau driver, for over 1 year,
using with gnome3 interface, no performance issue, and quite stable,
enjoying every mainline kernel 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, no building issue
I think it's time for everyone to give up nvidia-drivers, the blob of binary
And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
support all the CUDA stuff?
Cheers,
Mark
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possibly this from Google will help?
OK, I think I've found the URL that you may have intended:
http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
I followed the second fix that is described and now the nvidia-drivers
emerge and work nicely with linux kernel-3.3.
Thanks for the hint.
There are changes to the kernel-3.3 tree that will have to addressed
by the gentoo nvidia-drivers or other users will hit this problem
as well.
Frank Peters
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Possibly this from Google will help?
OK, I think I've found the URL that you may have intended:
http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
I followed the second fix that is described and now the nvidia-drivers
emerge and work nicely with linux kernel-3.3.
Thanks for the hint.
There are changes to the kernel-3.3 tree that will have to addressed
by the gentoo nvidia-drivers or other users will hit this problem
as well.
Frank Peters
Glad you found it. That is the link I just sent along and good to know
it helped a bit.
As I said, on kernel revision number changes I ALWAYS wait a minimum
of 3-5 days before trying to upgrade. nvidia always seems to need at
least a few days to catch up with a new release, or that's been my
experience in the past anyway.
Cheers,
Mark
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I said, on kernel revision number changes I ALWAYS wait a minimum
of 3-5 days before trying to upgrade. nvidia always seems to need at
least a few days to catch up with a new release, or that's been my
experience in the past anyway.
Same here, nvidia-drivers and vmware-modules are why I usually wait
until the .1 release on a new kernel series. :)
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> skribis:
And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
support all the CUDA stuff?
I think they may have reverse engineered CUDA, but whether it is
implemented I don’t know, and I wouldn’t want to be the one to test
it, either. :)
I’m donating processor time with boinc and that’s good enough reason
to use the binary driver if it gives me more processor to donate.
(Waiting before installing anything new is painful, I know, because
with Gentoo you always feel like you want it to be doing something, or
at least that’s my experience. :) )
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Barry Schwartz
<chemoelect...@chemoelectric.org> wrote:
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> skribis:
And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
support all the CUDA stuff?
I think they may have reverse engineered CUDA, but whether it is
implemented I don’t know, and I wouldn’t want to be the one to test
it, either. :)
I’m donating processor time with boinc and that’s good enough reason
to use the binary driver if it gives me more processor to donate.
(Waiting before installing anything new is painful, I know, because
with Gentoo you always feel like you want it to be doing something, or
at least that’s my experience. :) )
I have no problem with you or anyone else running nouveau. None at all.
I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
And thanks for running boinc. It's good of you and good for you.
Cheers,
Mark
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> skribis:
I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
Sage Notebook (sage-on-gentoo overlay) can use CUDA as well. I think
you don't have to worry that nvidia-drivers would go away; in the
worst case it would end up in a good overlay. That's unlikely IMO, and
would mostly likely be if there were an established alternative
implementation of CUDA.
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:40:34 -0700
Mark Knecht<markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no problem with you or anyone else running nouveau. None at all.
I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
I think the main complaint is that the Nvidia drivers are closed
binary blobs while Nouveau is an attempt to create an entirely
open source driver. The spirit of free software demands that we
support these open initiatives.
Actually, until recently, I was very happy using the legacy open
source xorg nvidia driver known simply as as "nv." It is still
available in Gentoo as x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.
Since I do not do gaming or other intensive graphic activities,
I could get by nicely with just nv. However, the nv driver does
not seem to support the latest hardware too well. On one of
my machines I have a card based on Nvidia GeForce 210. Although
the nv driver works with this card, it does not enable the Xv
extension and consequently the graphic response is poor.
On older cards nv does work quite well for ordinary purposes.
Frank Peters
Frank Peters<frank.pet...@comcast.net> skribis:
I think the main complaint is that the Nvidia drivers are closed
binary blobs while Nouveau is an attempt to create an entirely
open source driver.
Unfortunately the nvidia drivers are needed not only for graphics but
also to use the GPU for scientific calculations, including for
donating processor time to medical research, for instance.
Frank Peters posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:03:06 -0400 as excerpted:
Actually, until recently, I was very happy using the legacy open source
xorg nvidia driver known simply as as "nv." It is still available in
Gentoo as x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.
Since I do not do gaming or other intensive graphic activities, I could
get by nicely with just nv. However, the nv driver does not seem to
support the latest hardware too well.
FWIW, the old nv driver is legacy, now, and won't be supporting new
hardware. AFAIK older hardware should be switching as well, for support
with current software, as nv won't be updated for that any longer, either.
The same thing happened to it as happened to nvidia's proprietary network
driver some years ago; pretty much everyone involved, including the
distros that used to ship nv and nvidia itself, seems to have recognized
that the reverse-engineered work is now better than nvidia's basic
freedomware stub driver, nv, and nouveau has officially taken its place.
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Barry Schwartz posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:20:13 -0500 as excerpted:
Unfortunately the nvidia drivers are needed not only for graphics but
also to use the GPU for scientific calculations, including for donating
processor time to medical research, for instance.
My donation ends where their disrespect for human freedom begins. (Over
a decade ago, back on MS, I used to run distributed.net. However, they
don't have a freedomware client, or at least didn't back then, and while
I understand the reasons why -- someone cheating and saying they did the
work when they didn't, just to get the stats -- that didn't change the
fact that I wasn't going to run servantware. But as they say, YMMV.)
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