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The Gentoo/AMD64 Project had another meeting (2005/03/26). You'll find the meeting's logfile attached top this mail. The next meeting will be announced to gentoo-amd64 ML. We invite all interested Gentoo Developers to join (#gentoo-amd64-dev). Danny - -- Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/AMD64 Project, Gentoo Scientific Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCRs43aVNL8NrtU6IRAv2oAJ9Tp1a3BlVCIJiPAVl7GIA5yEXvZQCfU1aJ OLF5nGej6+fLexPZi9TLy4k= =HPI8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Mar 26 19:04:15 KingTaco ok folks, let's get this going Mar 26 19:04:33 luckyduck ok :) Mar 26 19:04:34 KingTaco first item is profiles by eradicator Mar 26 19:04:53 KingTaco eradicator, you have the floor Mar 26 19:05:35 blubb . o O ( silence ) Mar 26 19:05:53 KingTaco indeed Mar 26 19:05:57 KingTaco eradicator, ping? Mar 26 19:06:02 Kugelfang Mr Huddleston Mar 26 19:06:20 stkn_ he's dead jim Mar 26 19:06:33 Kugelfang noooooo Mar 26 19:06:58 blubb eradicator: i won't pay you if you don't get to work immediately! Mar 26 19:07:18 Flameeyes [19:05] [Whois] eradicator has been idle for 12 hours, 54 minutes, and 27 seconds. Mar 26 19:07:27 Flameeyes i think he's not here at all :) Mar 26 19:07:29 blubb neither would i if he's here, but *ssssh* Mar 26 19:07:39 KingTaco ok Mar 26 19:07:42 blubb KingTaco: next item? :D Mar 26 19:07:49 KingTaco moving on, hopefully he shows up Mar 26 19:08:04 KingTaco next item, releng report Mar 26 19:08:08 Kugelfang uh Mar 26 19:08:09 KingTaco Kugelfang, you got the floor Mar 26 19:08:10 Kugelfang that's me Mar 26 19:08:12 Kugelfang hehe Mar 26 19:08:25 Kugelfang well, looks good so far... everything has been built in time Mar 26 19:08:34 * jhuebel has quit ("Leaving") Mar 26 19:08:39 Kugelfang for 2005.0, we have (as every time) minimal and universal installcds Mar 26 19:08:50 Kugelfang the kernels have changed there Mar 26 19:08:57 blubb no -smp, right? Mar 26 19:09:10 Kugelfang we support now a AMD K8 NUMA capable kernel and a x86-64 SMP kernel Mar 26 19:09:14 luckyduck now we have 2.6.11, or is it .10 ? Mar 26 19:09:15 KingTaco +smp on all kernels Mar 26 19:09:27 Kugelfang 2.6.11 Mar 26 19:09:34 luckyduck ah, k Mar 26 19:09:49 Kugelfang the SMP only kernel is labeled -em64t Mar 26 19:10:06 Kugelfang as for the stages, everything seems to be fine Mar 26 19:10:12 Kugelfang most of you tested them already :-) Mar 26 19:10:32 blubb when will the 2005.0 release be? Mar 26 19:10:48 Kugelfang i think it's this monday Mar 26 19:10:52 Kugelfang hopefully Mar 26 19:10:56 blubb nice Mar 26 19:11:00 KingTaco sweet Mar 26 19:11:02 Kugelfang yeah Mar 26 19:11:04 hparker Cool Mar 26 19:11:19 Kugelfang well, nothing to say regarding the stages i think Mar 26 19:11:38 Kugelfang The GRP was stripped from apache, as we had a security bug and didn't want to rebuild :-) Mar 26 19:11:47 KingTaco are there any pitfalls (like having to do a emerge -e workd) that still exist? Mar 26 19:11:47 Kugelfang this is true for all arches i think Mar 26 19:11:57 Kugelfang KingTaco: yeah, this is part of the handbook now Mar 26 19:12:11 KingTaco so the handbook has been updated and available? Mar 26 19:12:24 blubb another reason to use stage3 :) Mar 26 19:12:25 Kugelfang for a installation from stage{1,2}, you need to emerge -e system OR emerge --newuser system Mar 26 19:12:38 blubb --newuser?? Mar 26 19:12:38 Kugelfang KingTaco: handbook's draft is at: "please hold the line" Mar 26 19:12:39 hparker newuser? Mar 26 19:12:49 dang newuse? Mar 26 19:12:51 Kugelfang http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/draft/2005.0/index.xml Mar 26 19:12:59 Kugelfang --newuse of course :-) Mar 26 19:13:05 hparker kk Mar 26 19:13:12 blubb ah Mar 26 19:13:58 hparker I'm still seeing problems with the upgrade, which we can expect an increase in upgrades after release :/ Mar 26 19:14:01 Kugelfang i have put release notes out as well, they are in http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2005.0/amd64-release-notes.xml Mar 26 19:14:24 Kugelfang hparker: problem with the profiles you mean ? or with the upgrade process ? Mar 26 19:15:07 Flameeyes the upgrade makefile was having troubles when i used it last week Mar 26 19:15:19 Kugelfang Flameeyes: what kind of troubles ? Mar 26 19:15:24 hparker Probably profile, not sure... Still seeing double long, gcc can't create executables, etc Mar 26 19:15:43 Flameeyes linux-headers didn't merged, errors in the kernel makefiles Mar 26 19:15:49 Flameeyes emerging it out of the makefile worked Mar 26 19:16:01 Kugelfang hm Mar 26 19:16:09 Kugelfang honestly, this is eradicator's playground Mar 26 19:16:15 KingTaco it is Mar 26 19:16:17 Flameeyes probably there's some problems with the makefile -> emerge -> makefile environments Mar 26 19:16:33 KingTaco table this for eradicator(hopefully he shows up) Mar 26 19:16:35 Kugelfang could be, i don't know... we have to wait until jeremy shows up Mar 26 19:16:49 blubb after the release we don't need that upgrade makefile anyway, right? Mar 26 19:17:07 Flameeyes a solution could be moving from makefile to sh script which shouldn't have that problem Mar 26 19:17:09 Kugelfang blubb: we need it as long as there are people who haven't switched the profile Mar 26 19:17:45 Kugelfang Flameeyes: did you just volunteer to test that ? :-) Mar 26 19:18:11 Flameeyes Kugelfang, now i think i had :) Mar 26 19:18:16 Kugelfang hehe Mar 26 19:18:22 Kugelfang well, back to the release... Mar 26 19:18:28 KingTaco ok, so anything more on releng? Mar 26 19:18:40 Kugelfang as most of you have surely heard, i'll take over amd64 releng Mar 26 19:18:43 Kugelfang from jh Mar 26 19:18:44 Kugelfang ahm Mar 26 19:18:47 Kugelfang jhuebel Mar 26 19:19:04 blubb also for further releases? Mar 26 19:19:08 Kugelfang jepp Mar 26 19:19:13 blubb k Mar 26 19:19:30 * Kugelfang is now known as "releng-bitch" Mar 26 19:19:36 luckyduck =) Mar 26 19:19:40 KingTaco heh Mar 26 19:19:45 blubb Kugelfang: i have to censor that in the logfile ;) Mar 26 19:19:53 Kugelfang o.O Mar 26 19:20:17 Kugelfang ok, nothing from my side Mar 26 19:20:19 KingTaco you should have used bioch Mar 26 19:20:30 Kugelfang still any questions regarding the release ? Mar 26 19:20:42 Kugelfang ah: my specfiles and the snapshot are all in CVS Mar 26 19:20:54 Kugelfang module "gentoo", /src/releng/ Mar 26 19:21:19 Kugelfang no questions? Mar 26 19:21:27 Kugelfang KingTaco: i think we can proceed Mar 26 19:21:30 Kugelfang :-) Mar 26 19:21:38 KingTaco ok, net item, AT status: Mar 26 19:21:44 KingTaco kingtaco: you have the floor Mar 26 19:22:01 * Kugelfang silently steps aways from KingTaco Mar 26 19:22:24 luckyduck how many AT's are there currently? Mar 26 19:22:25 blubb lol Mar 26 19:22:34 KingTaco luckyduck, 6 currently I think Mar 26 19:22:38 KingTaco we had to let one go Mar 26 19:22:45 luckyduck oh :( Mar 26 19:22:59 hparker And i'm working with 2-3 on their quizes Mar 26 19:23:01 blubb KingTaco: you're speaking of piolyte, right? Mar 26 19:23:06 KingTaco jhujiti, he didn't do anything as far as we can tell Mar 26 19:23:15 hparker Hrrmm make that two then Mar 26 19:23:16 KingTaco blubb, no, he's listed as inactive Mar 26 19:23:30 KingTaco his permissions have been removed Mar 26 19:23:38 blubb :| Mar 26 19:23:43 KingTaco if and when he comes back I'll reverse that Mar 26 19:23:59 KingTaco so, there has been a change in at "management" Mar 26 19:24:04 Kugelfang hm for all those who had fear piolyte could have problems: he's fine according to plasmaroo who phoned him Mar 26 19:24:26 hparker Kugelfang: thanks for the update Mar 26 19:24:27 blubb KingTaco: in the mail alias we only have 5 ATs Mar 26 19:24:43 blubb Kugelfang: oh, ok Mar 26 19:24:54 Kugelfang n/p Mar 26 19:25:00 KingTaco hparker is now the "operational lead" for the AT's: all day to day activities regarding AT's should goto him Mar 26 19:25:25 hparker Break... Someone invite suri! ;) Mar 26 19:25:30 KingTaco I'm remaining as more of a general manager of the project, as I'm trying to get it to become an official gentoo project Mar 26 19:25:38 luckyduck so, he also adds the keywords to ebuilds to close the bugs which are keyworded as TESTED? :P Mar 26 19:26:10 blubb luckyduck: that's your work :P Mar 26 19:26:15 luckyduck :( Mar 26 19:26:18 KingTaco I'm turning over the floor to hparker who can give us some more status info Mar 26 19:26:19 luckyduck :-p Mar 26 19:26:23 luckyduck k Mar 26 19:26:39 * hparker is tryig to figure out how to get Uri in here :/ Mar 26 19:26:47 blubb /invite? Mar 26 19:26:48 hparker I tried sending an invite Mar 26 19:26:49 KingTaco * You've invited suri to #gentoo-amd64-dev (saberhagen.freenode.net) Mar 26 19:26:55 * KingTaco sets mode -i #gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:01 KingTaco * KingTaco sets modes [#gentoo-amd64-dev -i] Mar 26 19:27:05 KingTaco tell him to join Mar 26 19:27:09 * KingTaco sets mode -r #gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:27 hparker k Mar 26 19:27:28 KingTaco uri is #6 Mar 26 19:27:30 KingTaco btw Mar 26 19:27:33 * suri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:38 * KingTaco sets mode +i #gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:41 * hparker gives voice to suri Mar 26 19:27:41 * KingTaco sets mode +r #gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:44 Flameeyes hi suri Mar 26 19:27:45 blubb hi suri Mar 26 19:27:48 KingTaco hola suri Mar 26 19:27:50 hparker Lo suri Mar 26 19:27:53 stkn_ heyho suri Mar 26 19:27:53 luckyduck hi suri Mar 26 19:27:58 suri Sorry for being late. Traffic. Mar 26 19:28:10 Kugelfang n/p, we have a log Mar 26 19:28:13 * stkn_ is now known as stkn Mar 26 19:28:24 KingTaco ok, hparker, the floor is yours Mar 26 19:28:27 hparker KingTaco: thanks for putting me on the spot ;) Mar 26 19:28:35 KingTaco hparker, :) Mar 26 19:28:40 * Kugelfang searches for 1000W spotlights... Mar 26 19:28:50 KingTaco everyone tease hparker, he's new at this Mar 26 19:29:05 KingTaco hparker, why don't you explain the process of becomeing an AT Mar 26 19:29:14 hparker Ok, as you've heard, we've lost 1 AT... But, we've added several, and I'm working with 2-3 on their quizes Mar 26 19:29:15 blubb good idea, i want to become one ;) Mar 26 19:29:19 hparker lol Mar 26 19:29:27 luckyduck :)) Mar 26 19:29:37 suri Um, you never said there were risks involved. Mar 26 19:29:39 * Kugelfang removes channel operator status from blubb Mar 26 19:29:42 * Kugelfang gives voice to blubb Mar 26 19:29:45 Kugelfang there you go Mar 26 19:29:48 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:29:54 blubb *g* Mar 26 19:29:56 dang He still has cvs... Mar 26 19:29:59 hparker To become an AT, as most here know, you have to pass the ebuild quiz Mar 26 19:30:01 * Kugelfang gives channel operator status to blubb Mar 26 19:30:02 Flameeyes suri, the main one is the risk of loosing mental abilities Mar 26 19:30:15 hparker Astinus is working up a new quiz more taailered to an AT Mar 26 19:30:17 luckyduck what about the groupies in here, seemant and solar? do we count them as AT's ? :-p Mar 26 19:30:33 KingTaco no, they arn't at's Mar 26 19:30:34 blubb hparker: will that quiz be easier? Mar 26 19:30:38 luckyduck ;) Mar 26 19:30:39 KingTaco all at's are listed on the at page Mar 26 19:30:41 Flameeyes luckyduck, maybe ATX :) Mar 26 19:30:55 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:30:58 KingTaco blubb, the quiz will get harder if anything Mar 26 19:31:00 hparker If anyone knows of anyone that would make a good AT, please send them my way Mar 26 19:31:03 blubb heh Mar 26 19:31:16 KingTaco a quiz rewrite is being looked at Mar 26 19:31:19 hparker We're always looking for talent.. Mar 26 19:31:26 Kugelfang blubb: what about this guy with the penguin mail address ? Mar 26 19:31:38 blubb Kugelfang: never got an answer Mar 26 19:31:44 hparker Roland? I think someone sent him something at the last meeting Mar 26 19:31:44 * Kugelfang shakes head Mar 26 19:31:52 hparker :( Mar 26 19:32:02 blubb but he's quite active on bugzilla Mar 26 19:32:08 dang Kugelfang: It's a non-trivial time commitment. I can't blame him, really. Mar 26 19:32:09 hparker That he is Mar 26 19:32:12 blubb he even opens tracker bugs :D Mar 26 19:32:41 hparker Anywho.. Any questions? Mar 26 19:32:48 Kugelfang KingTaco: btw: Last meeting: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/todos/index.xml?part=1&chap=1 Mar 26 19:33:15 KingTaco Kugelfang, that's coming up Mar 26 19:33:17 * hparker wasn't aware he was going to get the floor, let aloone before he finished his first cup Mar 26 19:33:26 Kugelfang :-P Mar 26 19:33:28 Kugelfang KingTaco: k Mar 26 19:33:43 KingTaco ok, if there is nothing more about AT project, then lets move on Mar 26 19:33:44 Flameeyes hparker, i have one :) why there's "Coming Soon!" on my gpg key's field? :) Mar 26 19:34:03 KingTaco Flameeyes, ?? Mar 26 19:34:04 hparker Flameeyes: Talk to Astinus, he updated the page Mar 26 19:34:14 hparker He had a question about it Mar 26 19:34:19 KingTaco Flameeyes, no, talk to me after the meeting, I'll fix it up Mar 26 19:34:35 luckyduck Diego Petteno Flameeyes 69875563 Active Mar 26 19:34:36 Flameeyes KingTaco, ok :) Mar 26 19:34:38 hparker ty KingTaco Mar 26 19:34:41 luckyduck seems to be fixed already Mar 26 19:34:42 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:34:48 KingTaco thought so Mar 26 19:34:59 Flameeyes luckyduck, maybe we are seeing different pages? Mar 26 19:35:07 luckyduck http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/tests/index.xml?part=1&chap=1 Mar 26 19:35:18 KingTaco someone with nls and cvs to that page should correct the accent grave on the last o in his name Mar 26 19:35:21 Flameeyes http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/arch-testers-amd64.xml Mar 26 19:35:33 KingTaco Flameeyes, that' the old deprecated page Mar 26 19:35:34 blubb btw, why is hparker listed as an AT? Mar 26 19:35:47 hparker i wear lots of hats ;) Mar 26 19:35:53 Flameeyes KingTaco, that's the one which is found from amd64 project homepage :) Mar 26 19:35:58 blubb lol Mar 26 19:36:07 Kugelfang KingTaco, hparker: the new at page is http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/tests/index.xml?part=1&chap=1 Mar 26 19:36:08 KingTaco Flameeyes, I'll get docdev to fix that Mar 26 19:36:15 Kugelfang right? Mar 26 19:36:20 KingTaco correct Mar 26 19:36:56 hparker Should be, but i don't guess Astinus got that one :/ Mar 26 19:36:56 dang The old page has suri on it... Mar 26 19:36:57 Kugelfang k Mar 26 19:37:09 Kugelfang heh Mar 26 19:37:19 KingTaco ok, any more AT stuff? Mar 26 19:37:22 hparker I guess he just got th eold one Mar 26 19:37:32 Kugelfang gerrynjr: when you read the log, add to your personal to do list to eliminate the old docs please :-) Mar 26 19:37:43 KingTaco gerrynjr, ^^ Mar 26 19:37:51 * blubb sets up the shredderer for gerrynjr Mar 26 19:38:12 KingTaco ok, moving on: todo from last meeting Mar 26 19:38:13 hparker Shreding web pages, what a concept Mar 26 19:38:16 KingTaco Kugelfang, you got the floor Mar 26 19:38:39 Kugelfang thx Mar 26 19:38:44 Kugelfang TODO list from last meeting: Mar 26 19:38:50 Kugelfang http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/todos/index.xml?part=1&chap=1 Mar 26 19:39:17 Kugelfang anyone to volounteer writing the multilib-strict howto ? Mar 26 19:39:26 blubb Kugelfang: i did, sent it to gerrynjr Mar 26 19:39:34 Kugelfang blubb: you did? superb Mar 26 19:39:39 Kugelfang gerrynjr: next item on agenda :-) Mar 26 19:39:44 blubb *g* Mar 26 19:39:52 KingTaco gerrynjr, is MIA Mar 26 19:39:57 Kugelfang i know Mar 26 19:39:59 KingTaco so we'll scip the doc policy Mar 26 19:40:06 Kugelfang he can't be here, he's helping someone moving Mar 26 19:40:15 KingTaco or wait, are we still on todos? Mar 26 19:40:26 Kugelfang jupp Mar 26 19:40:30 KingTaco k, my bad Mar 26 19:40:38 Kugelfang :-P Mar 26 19:41:00 Kugelfang ok, beside the Roadmaps and the howto, everything seems to be done what we had on last meeting's agenda Mar 26 19:41:26 KingTaco great Mar 26 19:41:34 Kugelfang i'd like you guys to gimme items we want to have acomplished till the next meeting (in 2 months approx) Mar 26 19:41:41 KingTaco it's important that we set internal deadlines and follow through Mar 26 19:41:58 blubb the FAQ Mar 26 19:42:02 Kugelfang ? Mar 26 19:42:03 KingTaco Kugelfang, item: make AT a gentoo wide project Mar 26 19:42:08 Kugelfang k Mar 26 19:42:18 KingTaco assign to me and hparker Mar 26 19:42:26 luckyduck while we're at the documentation, i would love it if we could include something in the bug reporting howto to encourage users to include test cases for keywording requests into the reports. Mar 26 19:42:45 KingTaco luckyduck, I couldn't agree more Mar 26 19:42:50 luckyduck there is a lot of weird software in the tree, and to find out how to test takes sometimes quite long Mar 26 19:42:52 KingTaco but it needs to o further than that Mar 26 19:42:56 KingTaco sec bugs for example Mar 26 19:42:59 blubb luckyduck: heh, yes Mar 26 19:43:02 luckyduck ah, ok Mar 26 19:43:07 hparker luckyduck: No doubt! Mar 26 19:43:09 Kugelfang luckyduck: k, you write some text, the doc devs include it, k? Mar 26 19:43:18 luckyduck ok Mar 26 19:43:27 luckyduck i'm send it to gerrynjr ? Mar 26 19:43:32 luckyduck i have to* Mar 26 19:43:34 Kugelfang jupp Mar 26 19:43:35 KingTaco just amd64@ Mar 26 19:43:37 luckyduck k Mar 26 19:43:39 luckyduck ah, ok Mar 26 19:43:48 KingTaco so we can comment on it Mar 26 19:43:56 luckyduck sure Mar 26 19:44:10 Kugelfang any volounteer for the hardware test thingies ? Mar 26 19:44:15 Kugelfang blubb: what about you? Mar 26 19:44:16 KingTaco ?? Mar 26 19:44:26 Kugelfang KingTaco: amd64.gentoo.org/amd64-tests :-) Mar 26 19:44:36 Kugelfang KingTaco: amd64.gentoo.org/amd64-tests/amd64-tests.xml Mar 26 19:44:58 blubb Kugelfang: well, as i said, i've written a little Gentoo/AMD64-FAQ with the help of the list-guys Mar 26 19:45:12 KingTaco shit, I could have tested #1, but I no longer have the HW Mar 26 19:45:12 Kugelfang blubb: cool -> doc devs... Mar 26 19:45:23 KingTaco but iirc, there is a bug about #1 Mar 26 19:45:31 KingTaco saying it works Mar 26 19:45:39 Kugelfang KingTaco: yes, there is... Mar 26 19:45:43 blubb yep. it covers the most important^Wannoying questions ;) Mar 26 19:45:46 Kugelfang KingTaco: it want it thorughly tested Mar 26 19:45:54 Kugelfang blubb: noted Mar 26 19:46:05 Kugelfang blubb: you and gerrynjr: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ Mar 26 19:46:14 KingTaco well, a perfect piece of hardware for that would be the DWL-120 usb adapter Mar 26 19:46:27 KingTaco which I had, but sold Mar 26 19:46:36 * hparker mumles nastiness about USB Mar 26 19:46:48 Kugelfang hehe Mar 26 19:46:52 hparker s/mumles/mumbles Mar 26 19:46:54 Flameeyes i have a dwl-122 but i don't think is the same Mar 26 19:46:54 Kugelfang ok: Testing tree: Mar 26 19:46:54 KingTaco murder SUB Mar 26 19:47:06 KingTaco Flameeyes, it isn't, as I have one Mar 26 19:47:10 Kugelfang anything _BIG_ you people want to move to Testing ? Mar 26 19:47:12 KingTaco it's a prism-2.5 Mar 26 19:47:24 blubb gnome 2.10 Mar 26 19:47:36 KingTaco gnome 2.10 has been tested and keyworded Mar 26 19:47:40 Kugelfang blubb: you wanna take over amd64-tests.xml? Mar 26 19:47:41 Flameeyes KingTaco, yep i know, i tried to getting it working on macosx, just failed Mar 26 19:47:44 KingTaco by yours truely Mar 26 19:48:10 dang KingTaco: And much thanks from me for that. :) Mar 26 19:48:11 hparker All hail the King! Mar 26 19:48:13 blubb Kugelfang: hmm, i only have a spongy idea of what it should contain Mar 26 19:48:19 KingTaco :) Mar 26 19:48:21 Kugelfang blubb: just browsing bugzilla for untested hardware bugs, list them on the page and give a weekly mail out to -amd64 ML Mar 26 19:48:37 Kugelfang hparker: or do you want to take that? Mar 26 19:48:37 blubb ah, ok Mar 26 19:48:46 blubb Kugelfang: i'll do it then Mar 26 19:48:51 Kugelfang i don't care who takes it, i just want to have it maintained :-) Mar 26 19:48:53 Kugelfang blubb: k, thx Mar 26 19:48:56 hparker Kugelfang: Not ATM :/ Mar 26 19:49:02 hparker Thanks blubb Mar 26 19:49:04 Kugelfang hparker: n/p Mar 26 19:49:09 KingTaco let's hold off on assignemnts, I want to go over that in a minute Mar 26 19:49:18 Kugelfang yeah, ok... Mar 26 19:49:21 Kugelfang KingTaco: one last thing: Mar 26 19:49:25 KingTaco k Mar 26 19:49:33 Kugelfang Stable Tree: Anyone want something stable by when ? Mar 26 19:49:46 blubb gnome-2.10, now ;) Mar 26 19:49:48 Kugelfang cryos: are you there ? what about stabilizing process of kde ? Mar 26 19:50:02 Kugelfang blubb: is that a joke or a request ? :-) Mar 26 19:50:06 blubb Kugelfang: joke Mar 26 19:50:10 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:50:39 KingTaco ok, can we move on? Mar 26 19:50:42 luckyduck what about gcc4 ? Mar 26 19:50:44 luckyduck :-p Mar 26 19:50:48 blubb uh Mar 26 19:50:51 Flameeyes Kugelfang, there's troubles with kde 3.4 Mar 26 19:50:52 Kugelfang luckyduck: renn schon mal los Mar 26 19:50:55 Flameeyes not just for amd64 Mar 26 19:50:56 Kugelfang Flameeyes: there is? Mar 26 19:50:56 luckyduck hehe Mar 26 19:50:58 * luckyduck hides Mar 26 19:50:59 stkn luckyduck: grrrrr Mar 26 19:51:13 Flameeyes Kugelfang, you remember the bug cryos and i discussed a few days ago? Mar 26 19:51:18 blubb gcc-3.4 works, let's stay there ;) Mar 26 19:51:21 Flameeyes that was interesting just kasteroids? Mar 26 19:51:22 Kugelfang ah, dynamic_cast, right? Mar 26 19:51:25 Flameeyes yes.. Mar 26 19:51:29 luckyduck blubb: boring :) Mar 26 19:51:37 blubb luckyduck: ricer :P Mar 26 19:51:37 Flameeyes seems like -fvisibility=hidden is brokign stuff Mar 26 19:51:42 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:51:54 Flameeyes as kde 3.4 uses it if it finds the flag accepted by the compiler Mar 26 19:51:56 Kugelfang Flameeyes: should be shielded by the acinclude patch Mar 26 19:52:07 Kugelfang Flameeyes: let's discuss this after the meeting Mar 26 19:52:11 KingTaco yes Mar 26 19:52:13 Flameeyes ok Mar 26 19:52:14 Kugelfang KingTaco: ok, I'm done Mar 26 19:52:15 KingTaco ok, moving on Mar 26 19:52:25 Kugelfang short todo list this time Mar 26 19:52:26 Kugelfang 4 items Mar 26 19:52:31 KingTaco ok Mar 26 19:52:50 blubb Kugelfang: what are the items? Mar 26 19:52:53 KingTaco we have a number of new devs and AT's, so I'd like us to do some intros Mar 26 19:53:00 blubb good idea Mar 26 19:53:07 KingTaco so, I'll start Mar 26 19:53:35 stkn .oO( deja vu ) Mar 26 19:53:59 KingTaco my name is Mike Doty, I live in Chicago, On amd64, I work with the AT project, as well as do kernel work and gnome testing. Mar 26 19:54:26 KingTaco as well as OP lead with kugelfang Mar 26 19:54:49 KingTaco blubb? Mar 26 19:54:56 blubb uh Mar 26 19:54:59 KingTaco (I'm just going down the list) Mar 26 19:55:28 blubb <- blubb, switzerland (zurich for insiders), amd64 and gnome herd Mar 26 19:55:47 KingTaco k, chanserv? Mar 26 19:55:50 blubb lol Mar 26 19:55:51 KingTaco rofl Mar 26 19:55:59 KingTaco ym, cryos you around? Mar 26 19:56:14 KingTaco next would be cshields Mar 26 19:56:34 Flameeyes cryos results away Mar 26 19:56:57 KingTaco ok, hparker Mar 26 19:57:01 blubb 1dL3rZ sUc|<!!11one :P Mar 26 19:57:03 hparker My name is Homer Parker.. I live in Russell, KS.. I'm OP Lead for the AMD64 AT project Mar 26 19:57:25 KingTaco Kugelfang, Mar 26 19:57:29 Kugelfang oh my Mar 26 19:57:58 * Kugelfang is Danny van Dyk from Witten, Germany... I'm coleading AMD64 with Kingtaco and keep up Release engineering for Gentoo/AMD64 Mar 26 19:58:10 KingTaco luckyduck: Mar 26 19:58:12 Kugelfang Further i' member of the Gentoo Scientific project Mar 26 19:58:16 KingTaco oop Mar 26 19:58:20 luckyduck I'm Jan Brinkmann, I live in Schlangen/Paderborn/Dortmund in Germany. I'm in the java, amd64 and media-{sound,video} herd. Most of the time i do anything for Gentoo, it results in breaking the tree. ;) Mar 26 19:58:20 Kugelfang :-P Mar 26 19:58:27 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:58:33 KingTaco :) Mar 26 19:58:37 KingTaco malc? Mar 26 19:58:38 Kugelfang luckyduck: since when is Paderborn in Dortmund? Mar 26 19:58:44 luckyduck near Mar 26 19:58:47 luckyduck ;) Mar 26 19:59:01 luckyduck only to give an orientation Mar 26 19:59:03 luckyduck :) Mar 26 19:59:04 hparker I just thought he was multihomed ;) Mar 26 19:59:07 KingTaco mini-morfic? Mar 26 19:59:22 blubb idling Mar 26 19:59:27 luckyduck hparker: think of me as a distributed system ;) Mar 26 19:59:32 Kugelfang mini-morfic is no amd64 dev Mar 26 19:59:35 hparker lol Mar 26 19:59:36 KingTaco stkn: #gentoo-alpha #gentoo-sparc #gentoo-voip #richportal #gentoo.de Mar 26 20:00:14 KingTaco ... Mar 26 20:00:22 stkn I'm Stefan Knoblich, living near Cologne, Germany. I'm the one breakfixing VoIP stuff on gentoo :) Mar 26 20:00:36 luckyduck =) Mar 26 20:00:43 KingTaco voxus: Mar 26 20:01:25 KingTaco ... Mar 26 20:01:31 KingTaco wolf31o2: Mar 26 20:01:46 Kugelfang amazing how many people idle during the meeting, eh? Mar 26 20:01:51 KingTaco indeed Mar 26 20:01:53 Kugelfang KingTaco: i think wolf is MIA Mar 26 20:01:57 KingTaco k Mar 26 20:02:02 KingTaco now onto AT's Mar 26 20:02:05 KingTaco dang: Mar 26 20:02:25 dang I'm Daniel Gryniewicz. I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA> Mar 26 20:02:39 KingTaco Flameeyes: Mar 26 20:03:10 Flameeyes I'm Diego Pettenò. I live near Venice, Italy, and my hobby is to make luckyduck crazy with bug reports ;) Mar 26 20:03:18 luckyduck =)) Mar 26 20:03:20 blubb lol Mar 26 20:03:23 KingTaco heh Mar 26 20:03:29 KingTaco jeeves: Mar 26 20:03:33 hparker Good, he needs it ;) Mar 26 20:03:39 KingTaco doh Mar 26 20:03:43 KingTaco lanius Mar 26 20:03:45 luckyduck hparker: :P Mar 26 20:04:04 blubb idling since 1.5h Mar 26 20:04:05 Kugelfang KingTaco: you shouldn't script anything :-P Mar 26 20:04:07 Flameeyes luckyduck, it's cause of you that i'm here now :) Mar 26 20:04:20 KingTaco lares: Mar 26 20:04:27 luckyduck hehe, i enjoy it. i hope you too :) Mar 26 20:04:27 Kugelfang that's what i call love ^^ Flameeyes Mar 26 20:04:36 luckyduck hrhr Mar 26 20:04:38 KingTaco ... Mar 26 20:04:39 blubb KingTaco: idling for 02:22... Mar 26 20:04:47 KingTaco LiveWire, ?? Mar 26 20:04:47 Flameeyes Kugelfang, ehm.. actually luckyduck it's not my type :) Mar 26 20:04:59 luckyduck :( Mar 26 20:05:17 KingTaco plasmaroo: Mar 26 20:05:17 luckyduck i even have my own pond! :) Mar 26 20:05:35 Flameeyes luckyduck, see? flames and water doesn't get along well :) Mar 26 20:05:39 luckyduck :) Mar 26 20:05:42 plasmaroo Me? I'm plasmaroo, live in a top-sekrit missile silo guarding top-sekrit um, items, and am Kugelfang's biatch and the official jester monkey here. Mar 26 20:06:00 KingTaco heh Mar 26 20:06:00 luckyduck hehe Mar 26 20:06:03 blubb lol Mar 26 20:06:04 Kugelfang plasmaroo: don't mix you bio up with pitr all the time Mar 26 20:06:09 hparker hehe Mar 26 20:06:10 Kugelfang plasmaroo: this is _NOT_ Userfriendly.org Mar 26 20:06:11 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Huh? Mar 26 20:06:22 plasmaroo Kugelfang: You mean you're mixing personalities :P Mar 26 20:06:27 KingTaco seemant: Mar 26 20:06:33 Kugelfang plasmaroo: the slavic accent, the missile silo :-P Mar 26 20:06:36 * Kugelfang runs Mar 26 20:06:45 plasmaroo Kugelfang: I am slavic, I am evil, is that news to you? Mar 26 20:06:54 KingTaco solar: Mar 26 20:07:10 Kugelfang plasmaroo: and you got a book: "Evil Geniuses for Dummies", right? Mar 26 20:07:17 plasmaroo Kugelfang: No, I wrote it. Mar 26 20:07:22 blubb lol Mar 26 20:07:23 Kugelfang oh, sorry Mar 26 20:07:24 luckyduck =) Mar 26 20:07:33 KingTaco suri: Mar 26 20:07:41 suri Uri Sivan, live in Israel (near Tel Aviv). I'm still trying to find out what I signed up for. Mar 26 20:07:51 blubb lol Mar 26 20:07:54 plasmaroo suri: Remember, you didn't sign up to be jhuebel's slave bitch. Mar 26 20:07:54 KingTaco heh Mar 26 20:08:14 suri I'll keep that in mind Mar 26 20:08:15 KingTaco trelane: Mar 26 20:08:24 dang plasmaroo: No, hparker's Mar 26 20:08:31 plasmaroo dang: I know. Mar 26 20:08:39 plasmaroo dang: I'm just reminding him that it's exclusively hparker's job :) Mar 26 20:08:46 dang Ah. Mar 26 20:09:08 luckyduck quality time with hparker :) Mar 26 20:09:10 KingTaco ok, I guess that's the end of introductions Mar 26 20:09:16 KingTaco next item: Mar 26 20:09:20 KingTaco nemo Mar 26 20:09:43 KingTaco as some of you have heard, we're taking "pledges" for upgrading/replacing nemo Mar 26 20:09:53 Kugelfang ah, jupp Mar 26 20:09:55 plasmaroo Chris is donating disks. Mar 26 20:10:01 KingTaco if you give me a sec, I'll list who has pledged so far Mar 26 20:10:01 plasmaroo He just needs to confirm if they'll go into the backplane. Mar 26 20:10:11 blubb what is nemo's job? Mar 26 20:10:22 blubb just testing box? Mar 26 20:10:24 plasmaroo AMD64's slave box. Mar 26 20:10:51 KingTaco that and releng Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco Kingtaco $50 Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco seemant $20 Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco astinus $20 Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco luckyduck $20 Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco dang $20 Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco Kugelgang $20 Mar 26 20:10:57 blubb i see Mar 26 20:11:06 KingTaco everything is in USD Mar 26 20:11:17 KingTaco so, as you see we have $150 Mar 26 20:11:25 Kugelfang KingTaco: make my share the costs of the hat + $20 Mar 26 20:11:33 luckyduck inflationary currency :-p Mar 26 20:11:36 KingTaco make that 175.26 Mar 26 20:11:38 dang I'm willing to up to $50. Mar 26 20:11:50 Kugelfang whoo Mar 26 20:11:59 blubb is this ebay or what? :D Mar 26 20:12:01 Kugelfang someone with a regular income it seems :-) Mar 26 20:12:03 luckyduck ok, i'll offer 23$ Mar 26 20:12:07 luckyduck =) Mar 26 20:12:09 blubb lol Mar 26 20:12:10 hparker I know I can do 20, might can go 50 Mar 26 20:12:40 KingTaco ok, lemme do some math Mar 26 20:12:52 blubb first, second, sold. the box goes to that geeky guy in the second corner ;) Mar 26 20:12:59 luckyduck =) Mar 26 20:13:00 KingTaco now we're upto 228 Mar 26 20:13:11 KingTaco so, here's some good news Mar 26 20:13:25 * blubb saves all his money for an ibook, sorry Mar 26 20:13:31 KingTaco seemant is talking to previous sponsers about getting some support from them Mar 26 20:13:42 KingTaco noone has to donate Mar 26 20:13:48 KingTaco please don't think you have to Mar 26 20:13:58 luckyduck now, where we have the AT's we're able to earn a lot of more money ;) Mar 26 20:13:58 * Flameeyes has just bought the new box :/ Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco Kingtaco $50 Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco seemant $20 Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco astinus $20 Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco luckyduck $23 Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco dang $50 Mar 26 20:14:30 Kugelfang KingTaco: and: wolf31o2 is shipping the RAID array to OSU Mar 26 20:14:30 KingTaco Kugelgang $45 Mar 26 20:14:32 KingTaco hparker $20(50?) Mar 26 20:14:44 KingTaco Kugelfang, yes, but he asked my not to include it in this Mar 26 20:14:50 Kugelfang yeah Mar 26 20:14:53 Kugelfang i see Mar 26 20:14:56 suri What is the target? Mar 26 20:14:57 stkn KingTaco: add me, 50$ Mar 26 20:15:39 KingTaco our target gola is ~600, which would cover the cost of a mobo + anothe optereon 246 Mar 26 20:15:49 Kugelfang plasmaroo: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010629&mode=classic Mar 26 20:16:53 suri I can part with 20$. Mar 26 20:16:59 KingTaco :) Mar 26 20:17:15 Kugelfang suri: for you this might be a problem with transfer Mar 26 20:17:26 * Flameeyes is going to replace the upgrade makefile with a shell script but has to build a cable to get the networking system under ups first Mar 26 20:17:28 suri Why? Mar 26 20:17:34 Kugelfang suri: you don't have anyone you could share the transfer fees from israel Mar 26 20:18:00 suri Are you sending around hardware? Mar 26 20:18:01 voxus KingTaco? you've pinged be? Mar 26 20:18:06 Kugelfang suri: for example, stkn, luckyduck and /me can transfer from one acount and save transfer fees that way Mar 26 20:18:10 blubb suri: no, money, but that's expensive too Mar 26 20:18:14 Kugelfang suri: no, i mean bank transfer fees Mar 26 20:18:16 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Hrm, sounds familiar. Mar 26 20:18:20 KingTaco voxus, introduce yourself :) Mar 26 20:18:21 Kugelfang plasmaroo: :-) Mar 26 20:19:10 KingTaco ok, counting hparker at $20, we now have $298USD Mar 26 20:19:32 voxus KingTaco: hmm. i'm a man, who've closed about ~15+ bind bugs during last night and still can't find a minute to fell asleep. :-/ Mar 26 20:19:36 KingTaco so we're about half way there Mar 26 20:19:42 Kugelfang suri: e.g: if i had to transfer $20 alone, that would mean for paying $5 extras for transfer fees i think Mar 26 20:19:49 Kugelfang suri: just wanted to tell ya :-) Mar 26 20:19:51 plasmaroo PayPal? Mar 26 20:19:58 * malc is Malcolm Lashley from the UK (Swindon), mostly too busy at work to dedicate as much time as he'd like to Gentoo ;) Mar 26 20:20:11 Kugelfang plasmaroo: you got a paypal account? Mar 26 20:20:16 plasmaroo Kugelfang: I do. Mar 26 20:20:21 Kugelfang plasmaroo: oy Mar 26 20:20:22 plasmaroo Kugelfang: But I'm not in the US. Mar 26 20:20:26 malc What we raising money for? Mar 26 20:20:33 Kugelfang malc: nemo Mar 26 20:20:33 KingTaco to upgrade nemo Mar 26 20:20:34 luckyduck nemo Mar 26 20:20:47 hparker Saving Nemo Mar 26 20:20:58 malc Cash is one thing I do have... Mar 26 20:20:59 KingTaco or, if we can raise enough, buy a new amd64 machine Mar 26 20:21:06 hparker (and yes, I own the movie ;) Mar 26 20:21:20 blubb hparker: lol Mar 26 20:21:21 KingTaco malc, pledges are welcome :) Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco Kingtaco $50 Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco seemant $20 Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco astinus $20 Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco luckyduck $23 Mar 26 20:21:36 KingTaco dang $50 Mar 26 20:21:38 KingTaco Kugelgang $45 Mar 26 20:21:40 KingTaco hparker $20(50?) Mar 26 20:21:40 malc I'm sure I can spare 30quid, Mar 26 20:21:42 KingTaco stkn $50 Mar 26 20:21:44 KingTaco suri $20 Mar 26 20:21:46 KingTaco Tyan Tiger K8W - $237 @ newegg Mar 26 20:21:48 KingTaco 2xOptern 246 (Retail) - $329 @ newegg Mar 26 20:21:58 KingTaco 30quid? what's that in USD? Mar 26 20:22:04 KingTaco approx? Mar 26 20:22:07 plasmaroo About 50/55ish Mar 26 20:22:10 plasmaroo If not 60 Mar 26 20:22:16 malc yeah 50$ or so Mar 26 20:22:26 luckyduck what kind of cpu's are currently in nemo? Mar 26 20:22:27 KingTaco ok, now were up to 350 Mar 26 20:22:31 malc I gave up watching the exchange rate when my stocks plummeted ;) Mar 26 20:22:33 Kugelfang luckyduck: moment Mar 26 20:22:35 KingTaco luckyduck, 1x246 Mar 26 20:22:42 luckyduck ah Mar 26 20:22:49 plasmaroo How about you just ask in #gentoo-amd64? Mar 26 20:22:58 KingTaco plasmaroo, thought about that Mar 26 20:22:59 blubb yup, and forums Mar 26 20:23:01 hparker mailing list? Mar 26 20:23:05 KingTaco but a number of problems with i Mar 26 20:23:06 KingTaco +t Mar 26 20:23:11 blubb KingTaco: namely? Mar 26 20:23:13 luckyduck wow, would be nice to have 3 additional opterons :) Mar 26 20:23:19 plasmaroo Not really, if people donate, they donate to that box. Mar 26 20:23:28 KingTaco 1) money from users should be donated to gentoo in general, and not to us specificly Mar 26 20:23:51 plasmaroo KingTaco: Um, yeah, and money "to Gentoo" would go to things like ... developer hardware such as nemo. Mar 26 20:23:54 KingTaco 2) I'd have to get trustees/managers invloved Mar 26 20:23:56 Kugelfang model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 Mar 26 20:24:16 KingTaco plasmaroo, there is other hardware that needs attention as well Mar 26 20:24:25 plasmaroo KingTaco: Nod. Mar 26 20:24:29 KingTaco doing it this way I can ensure that it all goes to nemo Mar 26 20:24:46 hparker You can't donate to Gentoo, wanting it directed to a certain part? Mar 26 20:25:03 KingTaco 3) I don't think I have the authority to ask for donations from our general userbase Mar 26 20:25:05 Kugelfang hparker: well i don't even know if the trustees have opened an account yet ... Mar 26 20:25:13 KingTaco Kugelfang, they have Mar 26 20:25:18 KingTaco and it's empty Mar 26 20:25:20 Kugelfang ah, ok Mar 26 20:25:22 Kugelfang hehe Mar 26 20:25:23 plasmaroo KingTaco: Why do you need authority? Mar 26 20:25:24 Kugelfang thought so Mar 26 20:25:29 blubb hparker: i think it's better, because if we get too much, we can't use it for other boxes... Mar 26 20:25:54 KingTaco plasmaroo, I try to keep amd64 contained to us, with as little outside involvment as possible Mar 26 20:26:16 plasmaroo True... Mar 26 20:26:28 KingTaco we follow outside guidelines, but we are our own team Mar 26 20:27:19 KingTaco so I guess a lot of you think we should be asking in other channels as well Mar 26 20:27:46 malc If we can raise the cash amongst us, then fine. If not then I guess we're forced to seek outside help... Mar 26 20:27:50 Kugelfang so, we have $368 if hparker gives 20 or $398 if hparker gives 50... Mar 26 20:27:53 Kugelfang that's quite good already Mar 26 20:27:58 blubb malc: ack Mar 26 20:27:59 Kugelfang the new board is in for sure... Mar 26 20:28:06 KingTaco oh yes Mar 26 20:28:20 KingTaco and we have seemant talking to our vendors Mar 26 20:28:37 Kugelfang heh Mar 26 20:28:39 KingTaco idealy, I'd like to find a vendor to match what we've raised Mar 26 20:28:50 blubb btw, didn't nvidia want to support us or so? Mar 26 20:28:51 plasmaroo NVIDIA is amazingly nice. Mar 26 20:29:03 Kugelfang yeah they donated nemo Mar 26 20:29:11 plasmaroo ... and a few other boxes. Mar 26 20:29:13 KingTaco I get the impression that nvidia will be the donater here Mar 26 20:29:19 blubb ah Mar 26 20:29:58 malc If someone knows nvidia, maybe we can ask them to match what the devs raise or something? Mar 26 20:30:00 Kugelfang plasmaroo: particularly ? Mar 26 20:30:14 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Particularly some infra boxes, one of which is a nice AMD64... Mar 26 20:30:14 KingTaco malc, that's what seemant is doing Mar 26 20:30:29 Kugelfang plasmaroo: ah, cvs, right? Mar 26 20:30:33 plasmaroo Kugelfang: No, master rsync. Mar 26 20:30:34 solar Kugelfang: there is an open account and we gentoo got it's first donation Mar 26 20:30:50 Kugelfang i see Mar 26 20:30:51 Kugelfang cool Mar 26 20:30:55 KingTaco solar, you're back Mar 26 20:31:11 KingTaco solar, wanna intorduce yourself and talk about amd64/hardened? Mar 26 20:32:10 solar well alot of hardened users keep asking got amd64 stages. amd64 is the direction that I'm pushing our users Mar 26 20:32:40 solar what do want me to say? Mar 26 20:32:47 Kugelfang solar: you said, you want one dedicated amd64/hardened dev, right? Mar 26 20:32:52 KingTaco you wanted a amd64/hardened dev? Mar 26 20:32:57 Kugelfang anyone volounteering for that job ? Mar 26 20:33:21 blubb what would that involve? Mar 26 20:33:28 Kugelfang ^^solar Mar 26 20:33:30 luckyduck what skills are required for that "job"? Mar 26 20:33:32 solar oh that. yeah I want to barrow somebody from your team to join the hardened team also. Mar 26 20:34:09 blubb does one have to be an asm monkey? ;) Mar 26 20:34:17 luckyduck hehe=) Mar 26 20:34:21 solar luckyduck: watch bugzilla for hardened bugs that have amd64 in emerge info Mar 26 20:34:52 solar roll a few sets of stages at release time. Mar 26 20:35:07 solar or talk this herd into going hardened by default :) Mar 26 20:35:24 blubb lol Mar 26 20:35:30 dang solar: would is cause any general problems? Popular software (gnome/kde) known to break? Mar 26 20:35:41 blubb they want to assimilate us ;) Mar 26 20:35:49 dang blubb: or we can assimilate them. :) Mar 26 20:35:59 hparker I can't see that I need hardened on my laptop Mar 26 20:36:15 solar actually it fixes quite a few things where amd64 has problems with shared libs and pic handling Mar 26 20:36:48 blubb so it wouldn't be that different from what we do now... fixing bugs ;) Mar 26 20:36:49 dang hparker: Only if there's overhead. If it's "free", why not use it? Mar 26 20:36:54 Kugelfang solar: hm, do you CC [EMAIL PROTECTED] on those bugs ? or is it just that Hardware is set to amd64 ? Mar 26 20:37:10 hparker dang: True Mar 26 20:37:21 solar well pic handling problems is a shared problem we both have. Mar 26 20:37:27 solar so I fix them Mar 26 20:37:44 KingTaco so we should be working togethere Mar 26 20:37:52 KingTaco whatabout an idea like this: Mar 26 20:38:06 solar yeah. cuz if we do official stages at some point I'm sure bugzilla will light up a bit. Mar 26 20:38:55 KingTaco we can have amd64/2005.0/hardened profiles that would still allow for unstable packages and whatnot, not quite as restruictive as the current hardened profiles, and we could have hardened/amd64 profile where it is more restrictive Mar 26 20:39:18 Kugelfang KingTaco: no need for that... Mar 26 20:39:26 KingTaco no Mar 26 20:39:35 mini-morfic wth do those $ numbers represent? Mar 26 20:39:37 blubb KingTaco: i think it would confuse users Mar 26 20:39:44 KingTaco mini-morfic, USD Mar 26 20:39:48 Kugelfang solar, KingTaco: currently the hardened/amd64 profile bases _solely_ on the hardened profile... Mar 26 20:39:55 KingTaco mini-morfic, donations for nemo Mar 26 20:40:04 solar base->hardened->amd64 Mar 26 20:40:16 Kugelfang but i think portage people prepare multi-parent cascaded profiles Mar 26 20:40:21 Kugelfang if i'm not mistaken Mar 26 20:40:23 * mini-morfic is now known as nemo_ Mar 26 20:40:28 nemo_ thanks Mar 26 20:40:37 * nemo_ is now known as mini-morfic Mar 26 20:40:46 solar multiparent is a nice idea Mar 26 20:40:53 KingTaco my problem with us moving to a solely hardened profile is we still have a lot of testing to do Mar 26 20:41:02 Kugelfang solar: yeah, would ease Amd64/hardened much Mar 26 20:41:11 KingTaco which I don't think hardened lends itsself to Mar 26 20:41:20 Kugelfang KingTaco: i don't want to no solely hardened profile, honestly Mar 26 20:41:30 Kugelfang s/to// Mar 26 20:42:09 KingTaco right, it doesn't fit us well currently Mar 26 20:42:18 solar fedora has already moved in that direction Mar 26 20:42:20 Kugelfang hm, no portage monkey available atm Mar 26 20:42:26 Kugelfang solar: hardened only ? Mar 26 20:42:33 KingTaco but I would like to be able to offer hardened for amd64 users Mar 26 20:42:40 solar more or less. they use PIE for all services Mar 26 20:42:45 Kugelfang i see Mar 26 20:43:02 solar and are moving towards a -DFORTIFY_SOURCE feature of gcc-4.x when it hits Mar 26 20:43:03 KingTaco PIE was invented by a RH guy iirc Mar 26 20:43:15 KingTaco or was that SSP Mar 26 20:43:37 solar the fstack-protector (ssp IBM) is what some of you would probably not want. Mar 26 20:44:31 solar PIE yes and no. It's a long story how it came about. RH likes to barrow ideas and rename thing under the RH dev flavor Mar 26 20:45:08 KingTaco I remember reading a RH white paper about ssp a while back Mar 26 20:45:18 KingTaco my impression was a rh guy did it Mar 26 20:45:22 solar pie is no more than just making your executables into pure shared objects Mar 26 20:45:24 Kugelfang KingTaco: this still part of the meeting? Mar 26 20:45:28 Kugelfang KingTaco: if not, let's end the log Mar 26 20:45:37 solar you maybe read a RH paper about mudflap Mar 26 20:45:39 KingTaco Kugelfang, "open discussion" Mar 26 20:45:45 blubb heh Mar 26 20:45:45 Kugelfang KingTaco: i see Mar 26 20:45:45 KingTaco solar, yes, exactly Mar 26 20:46:01 solar it differs from ssp in a few ways. Mar 26 20:46:07 KingTaco Kugelfang, but yeah, we're digressing