If I might weigh in at this late stage:
How did we end up here in the first place? Isn't the point of ~arch that we can put stuff here that might WELL be unstable? Sure, we'll get lots of "I set my ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to ~arch and now my system is broken," messages, but if people are going to try ~arch, or Gentoo in general, despite warnings that it's "not for newbies" (and I have personal experience of this), we can't really stop them without turning the community into a fascist state, can we? Gentoo (like all projects) has a finite amount of developers, and if we spend to much time on ~arch then surely arch will suffer
Just my 0.2 cents (sic)
Jeff.
On 04/05/06, Bart Braem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Philip Webb wrote:
> 060404 Caleb Tennis wrote:
>> historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE
>> versions, but if you've spent any significant time playing with 3.5.0 or
>> 3.5.1, you would agree that they are terribly less stable than 3.4.3.
>
> Not here ! I've used both (successively) every day
> & can't recall a single crash or noteworthy (indeed any) problem.
> It's true that I don't use Kmail & similar exchange-type apps
> & some comments suggest that is where the bulk of instability lies.
>
> The fact that KDE itself is no longer accepting bugs for 3.4.3
> really does suggest there's something wrong with Gentoo's current
> criteria.
>
As a user I have to add my opinion here. I have been using Gentoo for some
years now and it was always fairly up to date. Currently KDE is really
behind on the current situation upstream.
And then I wonder why. What makes us think we can not trust the KDE devs?
Does compiling KDE introduce so many bugs? I mean, let's be serious, all
other distributions have a stable 3.5.x now. Don't they experience all
those horrible bugs?
Seriously, this is really becoming an issue. As I pointed out in a bug I
filed for a stable KDE (for which I apologize, I should have looked here
first), some people are leaving Gentoo because of this slow upgrade
process.
The classical answer from devs is "it's ready when it's ready". From a user
point of view this is very, very vague. Please give users a more clear
explanation, this creates great frustration when looking at other
distributions. Because it's stable there.
These are my 2 cents as a user. One that loves Gentoo. One that loves KDE.
One that's frustrated by the current situation. I am a CS so I know how
hard programming can be, don't get me wrong there. I do appreciate what you
guys do. But I can't understand why you do it this way right now.
Bart
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