On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 09:20 +0200, Bart Braem wrote: > > That way, people who prefer stability over the latest features can run > > "arch", and everyone who bitches about packages being out of date can run > > the middle tag, and "~arch" can be kept for testing. > > I really, really agree here. I know this seems like a flamewar but it is > starting to annoy me. There are several packages that are several months > behind the official releases. I am going to name some of them: > Firefox 1.5: 5 months (the entire world uses it now, in stable) broken, unstable, no good (memleaks and horrible performance on a substantial amount of systems ...)
> KDE 3.5.2: 1.5 months (I know our devs get prereleases, so we had this time) ~40 bugs open as Chris said. No go. > Xorg 7: 5 months I don't know the status on this one, but I guess it's going to be done when it's done Also GCC 4.x - all others are using it, right? Well ... 4.0 was a mess, 4.1 is looking good and should be available soon - when everything compiles with it. > I know we have a lot of work to do, but I have some concerns. How long are > we going to maintain old packages? KDE 3.4.3 is no longer supported by the > KDE developpers. Firefox extensions for 1.0 are becoming extinct. > You are also getting a lot of work trying to fix bugs in old software. Most > probably you are starting to backport bugfixes, is this the way we want > things to go? No, but if the new version is buggy it's not going to be unmasked just because upstream would prefer that. > I understand you don't care about how many users you have, Gentoo is not a > bussiness. But if I try to convince users about the current situation that > is hard. I can't explain this, I really can't. My only answer is "put it > in /etc/portage/package.keywords". But that one is growing very fast... So go ~x86 all the way ... it's been good enough for me for ~2 years now I understand your frustration, I'd like Gentoo to be more "bleeding edge" as it used to be, but then I have an install that was originally 1.2 (I think, might have been 1.4rc) that was updated and recompiled every now and then - that's really awesome, I don't know of any other distro that offers such good migration paths. Just my 2 cents, Patrick -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move
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