On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:22:08AM +0000, Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > Bryan Østergaard <kloeri <at> gentoo.org> writes: > > Bryan, instead of always addressing the symptoms by asking people to kindly be > quiet or move things elsewhere, why don't you do something more substantive > about what ails Gentoo developers? > > You're head of Developer Relations. That makes you partly responsible for > allowing what should only be minor differences of opinion between developers > (and ex-developers and users) to balloon out of control until the atmosphere > around Gentoo becomes so unpleasant some developers decide it's better to quit > than try to stick around and solve problems. Face it, every time that happens > you've failed to do your job. > > By trying to silence parties involved in a disagreement you only force their > differences to manifest in less desirble ways. And when that happens, things > tend to get really ugly and it inevitably reflects back on Gentoo. I'm not trying to silence anybody. I'm asking people to stop making things worse than they already are. > > Also, brushing things over to private email and private blogs is not always > the > answer because the issues behind these disagreements often involve (and just > as > importantly, affect) more than 2 people. Just because Daniel Robbins might now > be taking things over to his private blog doesn't mean you no longer have to > deal with the issues he attempted to have a public discussion about. Uhh, I never said anything like that. The only thing I said related to his blog was that whatever he's going to do in the future is off-topic for a gentoo development list if it doesn't involve gentoo development. I think it was quite clear from the context that wasn't the case, so the proper place to tell the world about all the cool things Daniels going to do is his blog imo. > > Gentoo should provide an official venue where developers (and ex-developers > and > users) can talk out their disagreements, and under a few plainly spelled-out > and > easily enforceable guidelines designed to keep the discourse somewhat civil. > Somehow a lot of people seems to think banning is the only possible solution. I tend to think that's a horrible idea myself and most of devrel backs me up on that. If people thinks devrel is doing a horrible job they can ask council to do something about it - replacing devrel or whatever they'd think would solve it.
But as long as that hasn't happened devrel is going to work on solving conflicts the best possible way according to their experience and ideas. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
