On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:09:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <dberkh...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be > > > > available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a > > > > project could realize more of its potential by better > > > > integrating people who dont do IRC. > > I think IRC helps to build a more tightly knit community and, because > of this, is very important to Gentoo. The less close we are as a > community, the more free we feel to be hostile because we don't see > the folks on the other end of the big tube as real people. It's much > like a technique that militaries use during wars to de-personalize > the enemy, except with the Internet, we start that way and have to > apply effort to grow closer. > This is an interesting point you raise, though I don't think it applies in this case. I believe, rather, that the issue is the 'community' appears more like a 'cabal' when the discussions take place on #IRC and therefore aren't available in public archives. Even if they are, an IRC log is a *terrible* way to document an issue. Since the discussion is Re: '*DEVS* on IRC', I think the problem should be clear: You all get more closely knit, perhaps, yet appear to do more *in secret*. There is *no way* to find out what is going on, without becoming part of the problem... by asking, or lurking, on IRC. This is bad. Example? After months of searching for a reason, after seeing many apparently random updates to a previously stable tree of perl modules, I happen to keep an IRC session log which shows with this FSCKING USEFUL TIDBIT: "... no motivated developers. the perl team completely vanished." Anyone considering using Gentoo should KNOW that, if they use perl in any substantive way. Wouldn't you agree? Now, why isn't there a discussion about this on the gentoo-perl mailing list? Not even a post from some DEV with a cry for HELP? If there's a problem, *who* is doing *what* to address it, and *where*? Oh, right, there's *some* discussion on IRC... Anyway, it's just one example. In this case, I'd be glad to see *some* documentation of the (apparent total) collapse of the 'perl team' and what is being proposed to fix the problem, *without* having to become part of the cabal. Since there is a mailing list dedicated for discussions of perl and gentoo, that seems the most logical place to air the dirty laundry and announce/discuss the plan for moving forward. IMO. Cheers, -- |\ /| | | ~ ~ | \/ | |---| `|` ? | |ichael | |iggins \^ / michael.higgins[at]evolone[dot]org
