On 04/09/2010 05:51 PM, Dror Levin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 21:05, Denis Dupeyron <calc...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot <yng...@gentoo.org> wrote: >>> So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that >>> affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single >>> individual project. >> >> And almost 100% of the time this needs to run through a GLEP, which is >> the case here. Then the council will do all the things you've pasted >> from GLEP 39 > > I thought the council was a body that should be capable of action, not > merely one that gives a stamp of approval for stuff other people do. > Was I wrong? >
It's capable of action if the members want to take it. > Reading all your manifestos from the elections shows you all had > things you wanted to do, things you wanted to change (git migration, > forming a group of experts to discuss technical issues, QA > propagation, just to name a few). Where did all that go to? If all the > council is currently able to do is get everybody involved in > bureaucracy (e.g. writing GLEPs for centralizing documentation instead > of putting a page full of links) just so it could meet once a month to > decide on bugzilla resolutions, then something is wrong. > Let's see my manifesto: - EAPIs: council is not the blocker - Meetings: there will be a web application most likely in GSoC > All council members not only volunteered for that position, but also > had other people voting for them. Didn't you do that so you could have > a larger influence? So you could make Gentoo better? How do you plan > to achieve that if you just wait for other people to do it? I don't > see why there is such strong opposition by your side to actually do > something, after all, that's what you're there for. > I said in my manifesto that Gentoo is not my first priority so you get what you vote for :) > > Ben raised some very painful issues which hurt Gentoo daily but are > not being addressed for a long time. The way I see it, the council's > job is to lead Gentoo, and that includes things that individual > members may not find interesting. These are global issues which are > under the council's responsibility. Gentoo's best interest should be > in mind, not personal interests, and so the council should strive to > achieve all those things so that Gentoo may benefit from it. That's > what leadership is, and that's what your job is. > Many of the points Ben raised are doable by any single developer who wants to do the work. Just show up with the code/patches. > > Let's take redesigning the homepage as an example. Our website has the > same design since at least 2002, and to users it looks dead. This is > seriously hurting Gentoo, and its inability to fix the situation has > become a laughing stock. Clearly, Gentoo as a whole suffers and it's > the council's responsibility to address this issue. Now, I'm not > saying that council members should sit around all day playing with > CSS, but this issue should be one of their top priorities. Maybe ask > for users to help, reward a volunteer to do it with funds from the > foundation, heck maybe even pay some company to do it, but just do > something, even though you may not think dealing with this is > interesting, but a response like "if you want it then work on it and > make it happen" is unacceptable. > Just petition the trustees to spend money on it. I guess Debian is dying too then: http://web.archive.org/web/20020124014701/http://www.debian.org/ Regards, Petteri
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