* Michał Górny schrieb am 05.01.12 um 09:26 Uhr:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100
> Marc Schiffbauer <msch...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > > Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > >       libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> > > > 
> > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should
> > > > really be called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
> > > 
> > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
> > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or
> > > bash. Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be
> > > able to boot without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
> > 
> > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level"
> > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at
> > least.
> 
> And why do you consider D-Bus being high-level? Just because things
> used to reinvent the wheel before in a much worse fashion?

I meant "hight-level" only in a way that it is not really needed to
boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root
prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find
and mount the rootfs, fire a getty and shell.

-Marc
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