On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Ryan Hill <dirtye...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:51:08 +0200 > Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> Such a goals may be good for distributions like Exherbo which aim to >> make everything perfect. I believe that Gentoo aims more around 'good >> enough but at least realistic', instead of running for some kind of >> utopia which simply does not work. > > I don't understand your stance here, because to me 'good enough but > realistic' means ignoring standards when they're stupid, embracing them when > they're not, and forging your own where they don't yet exist. Perfection, by > definition, requires an existing standard to hold yourself up against.
In any case, I wasn't suggesting that a typical user would run without POSIX. I just think that we'd be better off if our dependencies were fully specified which will aid those doing unusual things with Gentoo. Keep in mind that unusual unix-like implementations are all around us. I doubt a Tivo even has a shell installed, and a typical Android phone has a very non-traditional set of tools available. I think the default Gentoo install should be pretty similar to what it is today. However, more flexibility to deviate isn't a bad thing. That said, having fully specified dependencies without giving headaches to maintainers is also a good goal. I think that absent better tools @system is always going to have to be a compromise. Rich
