On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:02:40 -0800 Greg KH <gre...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: > > >> Handling separate /usr support ============================== > > >> After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a delay > > >> of one month due to a new fork of udev was requested. We need an > > >> update on what's happened. > > >> > > >> Chainsaw reported udev and eudev have moved on, and for both it > > >> is now possible to have a separate /usr. The follow-up > > >> discussion related to the /usr-merge is necessary. > > > > > > udev was never the problem of having a separate /usr without an > > > initrd. Have all of the other packages been properly fixed to > > > resolve this issue correctly? > > > > > > Also, what's the plan for eudev going forward? > > > > > > > > > Eudev's project announcement is coming soon, should answer your > > questions. > > Ok, when is "soon"? I'm guessing that the result of the council > meeting ment that things are progressing, right? If so, in what way? Why would it matter if soon meant a week or a month from now? > > > In terms of udev's dependencies, yes, the few dependencies that were > > installing only to /usr (ie, kmod and xz-utils) have been switched > > to install to /, and then fixed again due to issues with they way > > they were done the first time so that they also work. I believe > > however they are still ~arch keyworded. > > I am not referring to udev's dependancies, that was never the real > issue with a separate /usr/ partition as those could easily be fixed > with a configuration option for the package. > If some vocal upstream and otherwise respected maintainers claim it to be broken and calls everyone a fool for not following suite, that's what we get. ;) > > There may of course be other entirely independent packages needed at > > boot time prior to localmount, I do not know that status of those. > > That's the big problem, those need to be fixed. But there is no hurry as separate /usr is broken for years, right? > > > Once eudev (the gentoo package) fully supports separate-/usr (which > > it doesn't at this time as it uses the same init scripts as > > udev-196), we will be sure to resolve them. > > Again, udev itself was never an issue, it could work just fine with a > separate /usr/ partition. Now perhaps our ebuild didn't build it in > that matter, but that's a configuration/ebuild issue, not a upstream > package issue. > udev not only could work just fine with a separate /usr but potentially make it a non issue. Let's see if eudev succeeds here. If it's the right place to solve it is another question, though the right place for udev isn't in systemd either. > > It should be noted that sys-fs/udev (the package) since .. 186 I > > think? whichever version dropped support for the failed-rules queue > > (and whichever package dropped the udev-postmount init script) does > > not support booting with a separate /usr. This has more to do with > > how the package installs than the upstream code itself, though; as > > such (WilliamH please correct me if I'm wrong) the plan is still to > > require an initramfs if using sys-fs/udev with a separate-/usr. > > If the plan is still to require an initramfs (hint, it's the only way > it can work), then why was the eudev package forked and created? > sys-fs/udev is systemd-udev, hope we don't have to rename the package to make this clear. > Please, I'm totally confused now, especially after reading the commits > in the eudev repo, I see nothing that fixed any /usr/ problems, what > am I missing? > The sentence in the very same mail that it's currently not working / implemented maybe? > Oh, you also slowed the build time of the package down in eudev > compared to udev, but I'm sure you realized that already, and did it > for a good reason. That's always the last straw, speeeeeeeed! > > confused, > > greg k-h > Seriously, while I agree the eudev fork had an ivory tower start, I don't get what you gain by running around like an elephant in a porcelain shop. I for one welcome yet another fork. Time will tell if it can prevail. Regards Ralph
