On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" <jo...@antarean.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > On Mon, December 17, 2012 22:31, Greg KH wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > >> Olav Vitters <o...@vitters.nl> wrote: > > > >> >On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: > > > >> >> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it > > > >> >> does > > > >> >> not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it > > > >> > > > > >> >work. > > > >> > > > > >> >Just to repeat: > > > >> >In this thread it was claimed that a separate /usr is not supported by > > > >> >systemd/udev. > > > >> > > > > >> >A case which works with latest systemd on various distributions. I > > > >> >checked with upstream (not Lennart), and they confirmed it works. I > > > >> >can > > > >> >wait for Lennart to say the same, but really not needed. > > > >> > > > > >> >I assume this will again turn into a "but I meant something else". > > > >> > > > >> Olav. > > > >> > > > >> Lennart has stated that he considers a seperate /usr without init* > > > >> broken. > > > > > > > > Yes, as do I, and so do a lot of other developers. > > > > > > It is only "broken", because upstream decided to move everything into /usr > > > that was previously in /. > > > > No, not at all, please see the web page that describes, in detail, the > > problems that has been going on for quite some time now, with the /usr > > and / partitions and packages. > > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken > > > > One good solution to this issue is to move everything into /usr, and > > that's something that has wonderful benifits in the long run, and is > > something that I expect all Linux distros to eventually implement. > > Those that don't, will suffer because of it. > > > > Again, see the web page for why moving stuff into /usr is a good idea > > for the reasons behind this. > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge > > Example: /usr Network Share > When /usr is on a network share, why not add a / on network as well? > I have multiple systems and as they all have different uses, they all have > different software installed. > > Example: Multiple Guest Operating Systems on the Same Host > See answer to previous example. > > How many environments actually currently exist where a shared /usr is being > used? Are you aware that these environments are actually one of the most important reasons for moving everything to /usr? I don't know what hackery you're using to keep the systems in sync and working but it is braindead enough. The difference between keeping part of the system in rootfs and initramfs is that you can discard initramfs after using it. It can be anything which is enough to get the /usr mounted and system starting. Files on rootfs *have* to be in sync with those on /usr or you're getting random failures. -- Best regards, Michał Górny
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