On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:50:53 +0200 Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > We don't package Steam itself and doing so isn't viable. We package > > upstream's script for bootstrapping it under the user's HOME. As > > such, there is nowhere to create such a symlink. It's not actually > > Steam itself that requires libpcre.so.3 but (at least) one of its > > games. You similarly can't create a symlink for each game because > > they also get installed under HOME or some other user-defined > > location. > > Well, how about you package a script to easily install Ubuntu on top > of Gentoo? That should make your system much more compliant with > Valve's idiocy than random symlinks. With the exception of this, every game I've tried so far works with the packages we have now. We're talking about one symlink here. > > I have summed up the feedback. I have also considered that we don't > > install the likes of libpng12.so.0 to a different location, even > > though this is also there solely to satisfy pre-compiled binaries. > > We don't even have a separate package for that though I will gladly > > compromise on that point in this case. With all that in mind, I am > > going to install to /lib using a libpcre-debian package. Sorry if > > you disagree but since when do we all agree on anything? :) > > libpng12.so.0 is an old version of a normal upstream library. It has > been released with that SONAME upstream, and it is globally > meaningful. libpcre.so.3 is some crappy Debian invention that's > causing total mayhem. It's not globally meaningful, it can collide > with a future upstream version and it messes up .so symlinks, as you > already noticed. That future version would never happen. Even in the highly unlikely event that this generation of the library would go beyond libpcre.so.2, upstream would almost certainly skip 3 because of Debian. It does not mess up symlinks if libpcre.so.1 is already there, which it always would be. Let's stick to the facts. > If you are going to commit such crap into Gentoo ignoring people more > knowledgeable than you, please spare us the effort and open a QA bug > against it requesting that you remove it immediately. Thank you. Feel > free to also request revoking your commit rights for explicit ignoring > of QA feedback. That's an unfortunate tone. I feel I hold more respect for you than most as I often find your ideas refreshingly innovative. I would certainly bow to any serious concerns of real breakage but no one has managed to provide a single demonstration of how this could actually break anything. All anyone has managed to say is that it looks untidy in their opinion. > Now, seriously: Steam is a total pile of crap. We already had to hack > it to work-around completely braindead LD_LIBRARY_PATH override > idiocy. I don't see how much of a problem would it be to add an > additional path with crappy symlinks for it without polluting the > whole system with crap. No one packages OpenGL libraries like we do so you can hardly blame them for that. I'm not exactly Steam's biggest fan and I actually avoid it where possible but it could surely be a lot worse. Now I don't care for drama and I've got far more important things to give a shit about so fine, I'll concede. Some restraint during our next debate would be appreciated. -- James Le Cuirot (chewi) Gentoo Linux Developer
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