On 08/19/2016 11:15 AM, C Bergström wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Luca Barbato <lu_z...@gentoo.org> wrote:
BTW is pathscale ready to be used as system compiler as well?
I wish, but no. We have known issues when building grub2, glibc and
the Linux kernel at the very least. Someone* did report a long time
ago that with their unofficial port, were able to build/boot the
NetBSD kernel.
(*A community dev we trusted with our sources and was helping us with
portability across platforms)
The stuff with grub2 may potentially be fixed in the "near" future...
the others are more tricky. In general if clang can do it, we have a
strong chance as well.
As a philosophy - "we" aren't really trying to be the best generic
compiler in the world. We aim more on optimizing as much for known
targets. So if by system you mean, a compiler that would produce an
"OS" which only runs on a single class of hardware, then yeah it could
work at some point in the future. Specifically, on x86 we default on
host CPU optimizations. So on newer Intel hardware it's easy to get a
binary that won't run on AMD or older 64bit Intel.
More recently on ARMv8 - we turn on processor specific tuning. So
while it may "run", the difference between APM's mustang and Cavium
ThunderX is pretty big and running binaries intended for A and ran on
B would certainly take a hit.. (this is just the tip of the iceberg)
For general scalar OS code it isn't likely to matter... the real
impact being like 1-10% difference (being very general.. it could be
less or more in the real world..)
For HPC codes or anything where you get loops or computationally
complex - the gloves are off and I could see big differences... (again
being general and maybe a bit dramatic for fun)
OK (actually fantastic!). Looking at the pathscale site pages and
github, perhaps a cheap arm embedded board where llvm is the centerpiece
of compiling a minimal system to entice gentoo-llvm testers, would be
possible in the near future?. I have a 96boards, HiKey arm64v8 that I
could dedicate to gentoo+armv8-llvm testing, if that'd help. [1]
Perhaps a baseline bootstrap iso (or such) version targeted at
llvm-centric testers on x86-64 or armv8 ? Skip grub2 and use grub-legacy
or lilo or (?), since there seems to be issues with llvm-grub2.
[1] http://dev.gentoo.org/~tgall/
No matter how you slice it, from someone who is focused on building
minimized and embedded (bare metal) systems that are customized and
coalesced into a heterogeneous gentoo cluster for HPC, this is wonderful
news. Finally a vendor in the cluster space, with some vision and
common-sense, imho. Heterogeneous and open HPC is where is at, imho. If
there is a forum where the community and pathscale folks discuss issues,
point that out as I could not find one for deeper reading....
hth,
James
