I will shut up and wait. Sorry.
Hasan Khalil wrote:
On Sep 3, 2005, at 04:14, Grobian wrote:
My opinion here is that there is something wrong if portage isn't able
to tell what it needs to run a package in ~ppc-macos. Maybe this is
not easily fixable, and should we do some extra hacks to make the two
worlds play nice again. However, I don't think having a fully ~arch
system is equal to a user that runs a stable system and wants to grab
one package from the unstable branch.
We feel that you are absolutely correct here, and that a fundamental
capability of portage is to be able to tell _exactly_ what is necessary
in order to build/install/use a package. Unfortunately, portage makes
several assumptions in this process, and not all of these assumptions
are valid for the ppc-macos/~ppc-macos mixed case.
As a solution, we feel as though it's high time that the ppc-macos
(stable) keyword is dropped entirely, in favor of ~ppc-macos (testing),
tree-wide. This would obviously solve the problem detailed by Fabian
above. There are several reasons that we feel this is a good idea, and
long overdue:
* We don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep up with a stable
branch.
* The project is just too young, with too many fundamental (read:
system packages) aspects changing too frequently to keep up with a
stable branch without constantly breaking the
30-days-without-bugs-before-stable 'rule'.
* Even the 'stable' branch frequently breaks (read: compile-time or
run-time errors in various packages), currently.
* Did we mention that we don't have enough manpower to fix, maintain or
keep up with a stable branch?
* We don't have a large enough user-base to justify bumping packages
from testing to stable by just waiting for the
30-days-without-bugs-before-stable timeout to expire (this point was
previously discussed on this mailing list).
* Oh yeah, the manpower thing.
* As it is, we currently (or at the very least have, in the past, and
will, in the future) needlessly hold up older versions of various
packages from being removed from the portage tree because there is no
later version that has been marked ppc-macos (stable).
* No, really, we just don't have the manpower to fix, maintain or keep
up with a stable branch.
In summary, we wish to extend a notion[1] that was previously mentioned
on this list, and put forth that we should immediately replace all
instances of the ppc-macos (stable) keyword in KEYWORDS with ~ppc-macos
(testing).
So what's the verdict?
- Hasan && Lina
[1] That is, to hold off bumping packages from testing to stable. See
"On keywording ppc-macos", a thread started by Fabian Groffen on this
list. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.macosx/396
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eBuild and Porting Co-Leads
Gentoo for Mac OS X
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Gentoo for Mac OS X
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