Mateusz Mierzwiński writes: > I have KDE4. It work's perfect.
Whooo, now at least this sounds good! > Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off, > maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like > customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. I have: CFLAGS="-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says: The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os on arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, but not x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS. About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about what - march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says: For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or -msse2 switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. For the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default. So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it would change nothing. > Try to set correct USE flags They should be okay I think... > and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen > don't work - it works for me. I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel. > You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that will be obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by xorg.conf only. > BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice > for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer > because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external > and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, drag&drop and what else. I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL. > Chromium as major web browser, I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour in the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to time Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile directory to make it start again. Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few memory. And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while konquerro has major problems with it. > Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd > as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp, > OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, Amarok (which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice. > Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem > with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector > broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects > when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into > phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated > into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect! Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great. > It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software", > it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny > "icons trashroom" on desktop. I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still looks quite unfinished to me. Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should recommend KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which makes some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts to FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For the users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only, instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which sometimes does not work. > Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS, > _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4 > folder in Your home directory and recreate profile. I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from scratch, except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of hours doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist. BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops after this, when most things were set up again as I like them. http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/2010-06-19/ And I recently switched from ~x86 to ~amd64, without a change in KDE4's behaviour. Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most of them are really minor issues. ANNOYING: Plasma: - The add plasmoids menu that opens above the panel is hard to access as it closes most often when I move the mouse into it. - Moving a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktop is probably supposed to work (why else would the drag operation start at all?), but it makes plasma crash. Fortunately, it restarts automatically and things are as before, except for a minimized 'JavaEmbeddedFrame' application which I cannot restore or close. Whatever. - The comic plasmoid refuses to show an increasing number of comics, and currently after login does not show any at all. And does not keep the size I give it. - Moving and resizing plasmoids does not always work, they just plop back into their last position and size. After some tries, it finally works, but at the next login they are back to where they were sometimes. Kontact: - Sometimes complains at system startup that it is already running. - Sometimes segfaults when closing, and does not start again until I kill it process manually. - When adding a new contact, I sometimes cannot select an address book to store as the dialog shows none. Restarting kontact helps, but I have to fill out everything again. - Probably related: all contacts sometimes all have the same information in them. - Akonadi sometimes complains about missing resource agents when logging into KDE. Kopete: - Shows me as online, but is not. Probably related to hibernating, going offline and online again fixes this. - Pressing the back / Forward button repeatedly and fast gives a message that I just received a message from that contact, and asks whether the chat sould really be cleared. Okay, I just pause a little (1/2 second) between each press, so it's no problem. But these things look to me as the authors of kopete did not try such things theirselves, or else they would have fixed them. Kmail: - Allows for multiple tabs, but then in these tabs new messages are not shown (only in the folder list). So, they added a nice feature, but to actually see new mails I have to close the tabs and select the folder again. - I can not open a new tab when mails for an account are fetched. - Attachements are sometimes saved with a size of 0. Bad if you do not check and realize this much later. has not happened for a while, it#s probably fixed, but I still check just in case. - The 'g' key sometimes does nothing. - Sometimes the mouse is not shown inside kmail. - Sometimes checks IMAP folders but never stops, aborting doe snot help, needs to be restarted. - Once showed a mail on gentoo-user with my address, but I was not the author of this message. - Going offline while some move operation is still pending makes it hang. - When searching large folders, a message appears telling me that first all messages of folder X have to be downloaded, and this will take some time. It appears for every folder (I surely had MANY of them), and the 'do not ask again' checkbox does not prevent this. So I spent a while accepting t - kmail used to save messages I was composing, and the auto-save interbval is still set. But when it crashes, or even if I quit it regularly, it has forgotten about mails I was currently composing. Konqueror: - Also somtimes has no mouse cursor inside its window. - Bookmark editor still crashes sometimes - Sometimes shows a weird scrolling problem when scolling a page down works, but when dragging the slider only updates a few lines of pixels at the top. Opening the page in a new tab and closing the old one helps. - When scrolling with the mouse wheel, it sometimes srolls to the right, too. - Seldomly when scrolling a page down, it scrolls down and down until at the end of the page. - Crashes fairly often, for example when scrolling in the shoutbox of a phpbb forum. I did not find such a forum with open access so I could not report this bug. - In new tabs, the first click on a link sometimes does nothing. - The saved session sometimes misses a window. - The saved sessino sometimes shows tabs with old content, even older than when the session was saved. - At session startup, I get the crash recovery dialog for some of the konquerors which were open when I logged out last time. Dolphin: - Sometimes shows artifats that look like the shape of the preview window, but show other parts of the desktop. - Needs double logins for FTP . - Sometimes does not update the display after uploading files via FTP. - Does not allow to download files with umlauts via FTP (I have to do this regularly) - Once sorted files like this: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt Krunner (this Alt-F2 thing): - Is really slow sometimes - Currently crashes when I enter someting. Misc: - Knode once forgot all old messages. - knotes shows the scrollbar only when the mouse is inside it, and changes the layout becausethe scrollbar needs additional space. Okay, really not a bad bug, but still it's a little annoying as things I want to mark move around when I enter the window. - Konsole lets me select other profiles only after I enable them first in the profile dialog. - kalgebra once did wrong calculations with large numbers. Fixed long ago, but these ar ethe kind of bugs I do not want to have. What use is a calculator, when I have do double check with another one just in case it is wrong again? - KDE 3.5 had a nice print preview, but it seems there is none in KDE 4? - Nepomuk once used several gigabytes for its database. Does no longer happen, but then this may be because it crashes before. When logging in to KD, strigi starts indexing, crashes after a minute, indexes the same folders again, crashes again, until it stops completely after some more crashes. At least now it crashes after a minute, with my old setup when I let it index my MP3s, it ran for days. So I have strigi desactivated. - Saving a session often does not work correctly, so I never ever do this without making a backup of my .kde4 directory. - The 'explosion' desktop effect when closing windows is nice, but also happens for the little display of current size and position that appears when moving a window around, and as such gets on my nerves. Yeees, this is really no big deal, but it's on my list of bugs anyway, and I think it shows that the KDE guys do not test or use these things much, or do not care much about it. - I have the Windows key as modifier wor window stuff, instead of Alt. I can select Meta-Shift-Tab in order to switch backwards though windows, but it does not work. So I'm using Meta-Caps-Tab isntead for this. - Some dialog windows of a specific application always open in the background, behind other windows. I checked the window settings, they are empty. - After playing Quake3, the panel has black areas. Switching Composite off and on again (Alt-Shift-F12) usually fixes this. For other OpenGL applications like Nexuiz, I have to open another window manager on another X server, as this sometimes has the weirdest effecs to the KDE desktop. - Amarok: Did not play streams, showed a corrupted collection for several times, sometimes just did not play, refused drag&drop, lost tags I had set, killed .ogg files when editing tags, took 7 minutes for startup... but these seem all to fixed. - Automatic spell checking in applications like kmail or konqueror does not happen in KDE 4.4.4. You will find lots of typos in this mail that I would have corrected else. When still working, it had trouble with abbreviations which were always shown as errors, and it sometimes refused to add words to the custom dictionary. - KsCD once did not find my CD-ROM. When I just wanted to test this again, Amarok starts checking the CD, and is very busy with that, for several minutes now. The information thingy in the tray shows 0/11 tasks, all with empty progress bars and no further information. Using the desktop got really slow, some mouse clicks took 20 seconds to take place, I accidentally removed the system tray while clicking around, and the system was so slow it took me a while to add the tray again, even after I ejected the CD. This is a good example of what I experience often: I do some something new, like inserting a CD, and weird things start to happen. But at least KsCD seems to work now. Oh, even though I closed KsCD and removed the CD, and I do not seem it in the system tray, it still eats up 10 % of my CPU power. - Occasionally, the phonon sound system does not work. I get a message about this during login. Next login, all is fine again. - And why is it not possible to save multiple marked files via drag&drop in ark? REALLY ANNOYING: - kontact crashes when started for a second time, which sometimes accidentally happens to me. Mails I was composing are lost. - For two times, plasmoids were on the wrong desktop. As moving them around to other desktops / activities does not seem to be possible, I edit .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc directly to make them appear on their usual places. - About once a day, only parts of the last active applications reacts to the mouse. Seems to happen in konqueror only. I can click links, but the menus do not work. When I kill it, the next allication which gets the input focus gets partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out, which is possible only via Ctrl-Alt-Del and waiting for 30 seconds, I cannot even confirm the logout requester. Okay, there's also Ctrl-Alt- Shift-Del, whcih I just found out about. I thought this might be related to javascript, as it only happens in konqueror, so I turned it off, and it did not happen for two days, but then it did. Oh, and then it just happened again, while composing this mail. At least I can switch to this window and save this as draft. But this time Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work, I have to restart KDM. - Back again. What happened some days ago was a corrupted KDE wallet, which made kwalletmanager not start. I got dozends of dialog windows from various applications like kmail or kopete, and additionaly lots of kwalletmanager crash windows. - Longer ago I experienced a bug even worse. When the KDE password dialog was set to show three bullets per character, it did not work. I had no access to my wallet, could not use kmail, or access FTP locations with dolphin. Took me quite a while until I finally found out myself what setting was responsible for that. A total show stopper. The bug was fixed two months after it had been reported, which I find is quite a long time for such a serious bug. That's most of it. I did not yet report too many of them yet, mostly because I thought the developers also use KDE and already know many, but then maybe they happen to few people only. Wonko [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags [2] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64- Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options
