On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:07:08 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> Am Montag, 10. September 2012, 15:19:38 schrieb Walter Dnes: > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote > > > > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:42:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > > Isn't readline enabled by default on all reasonable profiles? > > > > > Do you have USE="-* in make.conf? If so, it's just bitten you. > > > > > > > > > Yup. I did that to avoid further surprises after the > > > > developers "in > > > > > > > > their infinite wisdom" had IPV6 "enabled by default on all > > > > reasonable profiles". Watching Firefox and mplayer spinning > > > > their wheels for 45 seconds at a time till IPV6 lookups timed > > > > out was not fun. > > > > > > I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted > > > elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* > > > screws it up. > > > > So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to > > screw me up. Next thing you know, I'll have to re-partition my > > system or else replace udev with mdev, to boot up... oops. > > wtf are you talking about? Just because you are unable to look at > changed useflags when glancing over the output of emerge -a is not an > excuse for using something idiotic like -*. > > Doing so and then complaining is just vile. > He seems to have reacted badly to a singular bad experience with a dodgy ebuild. It's a classic case of seeing the one occasion where something went wrong and not see the 999 cases where it didn't. Then truing to deal with the 1 for the future "just in case" I get a similar kind of thing often at work. Someone makes a mistake and a chunk of the network goes down. The next day I might get a draconian mail from some manager demanding that vast sweeping changes to login rules be implemented "just in case this ever happens again". Lucky for the company I have some cajones and just say no. Then I investigate and 3 times out of 4 I find the broken router is running some weird version of Cisco IOS which does something completely unexpected with a perfectly ordinary command. The other 1 time I always find a bat-shit crazy business customization that no sane engineer would ever have signed off on. The solution is never to try change the behaviour of all the humans. The solution is to change the behaviour of the one faulty machine when it breaks, and have many smart humans around with brains that can spot the busted machine quickly. -- Alan McKinnon [email protected]
