On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this... > > I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this > question... > > Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as opposed > to manually trying to do it via USE flags etc, a practical request, or not? > > Meaning: > > 1. is it doable,
Of course it is. > 2. how hard (on a scale of 1/easy to 10/hard to impossible) would it > be to do this, and Well, doing it I think it's easy. > 3. regardless of the difficulty in achieving it, how hard would it be > (on a scale of 1 (easy) to 10 (hard to impossible)) to maintain in > the long run? That's the pickle, isn't? Forget about how "hard" it is. The problem, as I see it, is that this systemd profile is being pushed by the people that *don't* want to use systemd, because they want it restricted to a separated profile so their machines are not "tainted" by systemd. If it was the other way around (systemd users wanting a systemd profile), there would be no problem, since they would happily do the job. But as it is it makes no sense; if you want to maintain a systemd profile, you need to *use* systemd to do the testing and supporting. Are the people that don't want to use systemd, will use systemd to test and support a profile so they don't need to use systemd? Really? (And never mind that more and more packages in the stack will want to use systemd's features, and some of them probably will not work, or work with limited functionality, without said features. And a profile is not going to change that.) That being said, the GNOME team introduced a gnome/systemd profile (and later the KDE team did the same). I've never saw the point in doing that, but that's what they decided and is fine. If the Gentoo developers that use and prefer systemd decide to create a systemd profile, then it will (easily, I think) happen. But it's the systemd users the ones you should convince to do it; not anyone *not* using it or avoiding it. > I'm hoping that even if the answer to #2 above is 7+, if the answer to #3 is > 'relatively easy' or better, then maybe it still stands a chance of getting > done. The possibility exists, sure. You can talk to Michał and the other members of the systemd project in Gentoo. If you convince them that it is a good idea (and good for systemd, obviously), they will do it. But anyone that wants to help this happen will need to use systemd to support a systemd profile. That's simple logic. > And incidentally, Canek, if I was a programmer, I'd be happy to volunteer to > take it on, but alas I'm just a lowly user... I would, but I don't think is worth it. It's not an unreasonable idea, but I think it will make thinks muddy when someone chooses the "not systemd" profile, and they will discover that anyhow they need systemd to run a lot of things. And, I repeat, usually when someone pushes for an X profile, it's because they want to use X. In this case you are asking for an X profile so you don't need to even see X; it makes no sense, since the X profiles needs the people maintaining it to use X. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
