-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/2014 04:50 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >>> How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to >>> consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles >>> are the essence of choice but it appears you only want the >>> choices you approve of to be available. > >> Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. Logically, a "non systemd" >> profile would necessitate either a systemd profile, or require >> the default to already ship systemd. I hadn't considered the >> prior existence of systemd profiles, which we currently have, so >> afaict the issue is mostly moot. > > We already have non-systemd profiles. Until recently that is all we > had. > >> Choices are great until the existence of other choices infringes >> on mine. Profiles prevent that, so I have no problem with >> systemd profiles. The problem lies with evangelists who aren't >> happy with systemd being *a* choice. They want systemd to be >> *the* choice, *the* default. That is what I take issue with. > > Why are you so concerned about the default, not that anyone in > this thread has suggested making systemd the default, not even > Canek? If you cannot use eselect profile set, Gentoo is not for you > anyway? The handbook tells you to select a profile quite early in > the installation, there is no default - portage complain loudly if > you haven't chosen a profile, so I fail to see how anyone can force > systemd (or openrc for that matter) on users when the choice must > be made. > > There are technical arguments for and against systemd, which is why > this thread was started, rhetoric about forcing default profiles on > people when there is no such thing as a default profile only serve > to cloud the real issues. > >
Ah. It's been a while since I installed Gentoo; I wasn't aware that portage would yell at you for not choosing a profile, or that one wasn't already set. In that case there's nothing for me to say wrt defaults. Insistence upon technical-only discussion is a bit dishonest imo, as free software is more than code. Without the social practices, community, etc, there wouldn't be free software. So I think non-technical concerns can be relevant to discussions on a project, especially ambitious ones that seek to greatly change the ecosystem. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTBI1QAAoJEJUrb08JgYgHLbwIAI9sg65uA330dpWdoZHua81q CGnoHzmClRdToNeYI40UKt7uT4rlebVvV2/A4DCcOb/qOPy7V1yNX8Etdsk/PHGi 5fhmqIgG/pU7lLeBI1FVMJmGaPZOju/g23Ney1AknoAdSH6r3F1S4k7d95C3CgWs VDlZpsB/q5e8bTIVfFSQZ4vj9I4cKz+ZNzDsD2oGepDGtH+66OPjF1MUBhBao/+c rFrZcdaWOpTc0Soj6I+bdffijKldyOflzRkINo6mBaWWOlEh34A10rGDDcOnkT6L 0ioUBn+5C9/AIDbBX8uplaaT4nG0QWPg/gi/WH6swLme5X9kSUVeTYJMCqRFBkk= =mK4M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
