On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:02:31 -0500 Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 10:36 PM, Mark David Dumlao <madum...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Tanstaafl > > <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: > >> Sorry, Canek, no offense was intended, but if you go back and > >> re-read your 'extremely overly enthusiastic' post (this plus the > >> content is why I referred to it as a 'rant'), while I agree with > >> most everything you said, your primary point - that it should be > >> the people who *don't* want systemd doing all of the work - was > >> backwards, and that was what I wanted to point out. > > > I'm afraid this is the part that's backwards. > > You are wrong. > > >> So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a > >> very good job of patiently spelling out the advantages of systemd, > >> to the point I'm no longer afraid of it taking over and devouring > >> the linux world. > > > If systemd truly is, as you say "taking over and devouring the > > linux world" > > *I* never said that. Others have though, and some still apparently > believe this to be the case. Admittedly it is those voices that > prompted me to start this thread. Do you hear voices? :-) > I wanted to get opinions from other > list members about how systemd is/will/should impact the gentoo > community, and I'm glad I did. The result is that I now no longer > believe most of the negatives being spread about systemd, and no > longer fear that it is 'taking over and devouring the linux world'. > > > such that the majority of distro maintainers are individually > > choosing to use a feature or two from it, then yes, it definitely is > > the job of people who want to opt out of it to do the work. > > You would be right IF - and I repeat IF - it weren't for the little > inconvenient fact that OpenRC, not systemd, is the default init > system in gentoo, now, and thankfully for the foreseeable future. I > say thankfully not because I fear systemd, but because I would much > prefer to let systemd mature with others using it to flesh out any > bugs or other problems/issues (technical *and* political). > > As long as OpenRC is the default init system in Gentoo, it is on > those who want something *other* than OpenRC (ie, systemd) to do the > work of implementing it. > > Why is it so difficult to see that? > > Even Canek already acknowledged the correctness of this position. > > >> Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and > >> hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the > >> systemd folks to do the work to get systemd fully supported. > > > systemd IS supported and working. The problem arises when there are > > people that want to push for a "system with no systemd whatsoever" > > and act like it's the systemd maintainer's job to make that happen. > > Thankfully there is no problem then, since no one is pushing for 'a > system with no systemd whatsoever', beyond what exists already. > > All I am interested in is keeping the systemd proponents in their > place. As the 'new kid on the block', when 'invading' (for lack of a > better term) a new distro (in this case, gentoo), it is *on them* to > provide the methods and means for people interested in trying/using > systemd on said distro, but most importantly to do so *without* > impacting existing users who want to continue using the *existing*, > *default* init system for their distro. > > Are you seriously disagreeing with this position? >
