On 2014-02-21 2:35 PM, hasufell <hasuf...@gentoo.org> wrote:
Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell <hasuf...@gentoo.org> wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you
have never met such a person or have never been in such an
environment.
You are confusing 'intent' with 'result'.
No. You are confusing yourself with the rest of the world.
Not really, but whatever...
Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of cases
engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I can think
of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they use/drink, they
'profit' in that the feel better (albeit temporarily), regardless
of the ultimate result.
I wasn't really talking about drug addicts.
You said 'self-destructive', so I just used the best 'self-destructive'
reference I could think of...
If you are interested in real self-destructive behaviour, talk to
someone who has worked in an asylum which is only one interesting
environment that can make you think very different about "people".
Ok, well, I wasn't talking about the truly *insane*, and it is
disingenuous to use them as any kind of example in comparison to 'the
rest of us'...
There are even people who are not driven by anything, not even
self-destruction. Pure apathy.
I guarantee they are driven by more than that... often something as
simple as 'comfort' (they would only get up in arms if you take away
their TV and potato chips)...
Another interesting thing... talk to a trial lawyer who has been in
that business for 10+ years. I really doubt that many of those will
support your "profit intention" concept. Most of the time it's about
short-cut reactions that are merely following instincts or emotional
impulses. Strong emotions can make someone lose control and do all
sorts of weird things without any hope or intention of
improving/gaining anything for living it out.
Again, you ignore the different meanings of 'profit' and 'intent'.
Following instincts or emotional impulses is *still* operating on the
same principle. The profit (benefit) they get may be as simple as 'less
pain', but it is still a benefit (profit).
It's chemistry, it changes your consciousness. "Profit" is a bit more
complex and requires a minimum amount of reflection, even if it is
subconscious, short sighted and follows false assumptions.
Not at all. A bull 'profits' by moving when the cattle prod is jammed up
his ass.
So these are just 3 points why your generalization does not work,
Actually, they all serve to *support* my generalizations... if you are
in fact honest enough to admit it.
