On Wednesday, November 09, 2016 01:10:27 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 08/11/2016 23:20, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On November 8, 2016 9:52:51 PM GMT+01:00, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 08/11/2016 22:00, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >>> On 2016-11-08 13:12, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >>>> Why are you even trying to do this yourself? > >>> > >>> Because mail is by far the best digital communication channel I know > >> > >> for > >> > >>> me (with my preference for text and logic over image and fuzzy > >> > >> feeling), > >> > >>> and so I want to do it as close to perfect as I can. > >> > >> Why do you think you can do mail mail than your ISP can do mail? > > You know, dealing with 10,000,000 inbound mails a day usually means > something suffers. And if you're using the free ISP service, you go in
That's the thing, I actually pay my ISP. The only semi-decent service they provide is a fast (enough) connection. ADSL offerings are slower then cable where I live. And fibre isn't available (yet?) > the big bucket of spam rules: > > When said ISP starts blocking legitimate email from people I correspond > > with on a regular basis who use gmail and hotmail, they become as > > reliable as old fashioned mail services have become. > I can't really comment. Are these people considered spammers by track > record by your ISP? Family, friends, parents of kids in my childs class.... I doubt they try to off-load millions of dodgy money to me via email. :) > > And the blocking is done silently and can't be disabled. > > Yes that is quite usual. The rules are global (or at least wide in > scope) and the admins put them in for a reason. Perhaps they will tell > you what the reason is They actually can't, I raised this question several times. The worst part is, it looks like some of their inbound mail-servers silently block it, while others don't. As occasionally an email would get through. > > That already made me start looking for alternatives. > > > > When they then refused to relay emails using my own domain even though I > > am inside their network and am not sending large amounts of email. I > > ended up using those alternatives. > Correct again. When ISPs let their customers send their own mail out > from their regular customer ranges, and that mail is > spammy/malwarey/dodgy/goes on RBL's, then the entire ISP block gets a > bad rep and everyone suffers I have my own domain for my emails, to not have to send out change-of-address notifications whenever I decide to change ISP. Which can be the result when moving house. I have no problem using the ISPs SMTP-server as a relay (which used to work). But now I need to log in and then it will change the FROM-address to whatever is linked to that account. Which obviously causes problems as we use a set of different email addresses for each family member along with a few addresses we actually share. > > I would prefer to use my ISP to handle the mail deliveries, but when they > > are this incompetent.... > Or maybe you were using their free mail service. > > Most ISPs offer managed mail (at a price). My ISP, unfortunately, doesn't. > It's the old story after all: cheap, good, fast. Pick any two. In NL, that would be linked to a business account. For that, I need to actually have a business, registered as such with the local version of the IRS. Then I end up paying more than I am doing now, for a significantly slower internet connection. -- Joost
