On Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:24:47 -0500,
Jack wrote:
>
> Hello Ian,
>
> On 2020.02.02 13:36, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> > On 2020-02-01 17:08, Jack wrote:
> >
> >> I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing
> >> lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never
> >> see that I get the message from the list, because gmail
> >> refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a
> >> message already in my sentbox.
> > >
> >> I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough
> >> namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a
> >> similar setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand
> >> what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time
> >> trying.
> > >
> >> So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service
> >> provider that understands this and will let me set it up.
> >
> > For your immediate problem, my answer would depend on whether
> > you're OK interacting with email entirely through the browser,
> > or you are a classicist like myself and want to use a "real"
> > email client like mutt or thunderbird.
> I absolutely detest webmail, and use it only when absolutely
> necessary, which in many cases is to look at the SPAM folder to
> mark something as Not Spam. I use IMAP when I'm away from home
> (set up on android phone, android tablet, and Artix Linux
> laptop.) At home, I pull everything by POP3. Before a long
> trip, I rsync my whole mail hierarchy from my desktop to the
> laptop, in case I need to reference any older messages, although
> I sometimes just go digging in the Trash folder via IMAP.
>
> > From your writing about gmail, I am guessing it's the former:
> > you're okay with webmail. In that case, I recommend that you
> > look at protonmail, tutanota and hushmail. I have used all of
> > them and I still use protonmail for one of my personas :) I
> > hasten to add I have _not_ checked how easy it is to mask the
> > sender address at any of these.
> First, I didn't choose, and do not actually like gmail. If you
> don't want lots of gory details, you can skip this paragraph.
> For years, I had email provided by my ISP (sbcglobal.net - not
> discussing it's various sales and name changes) actually managed
> by Yahoo. However, when AT&T sold their landline business in
> Connecticut to Frontier, although my sbclobal.net addresses
> didn't go away, they ended up in a sort of limbo - it became
> impossible for me to get any support. If I called Yahoo, they
> said to get support from AT&T. If I called AT&T, as soon as they
> figured out I was in Connecticut, they transferred the call to
> Frontier. If I called Frontier, they wouldn't help since they
> didn't control that domain. About that time, my college stopped
> simply providing an email forwarding service, and provided a real
> email account under the alumni subdomain of the university's
> domain. Unfortunately, the actual account is gmail. Once I
> realized I wanted something other than that, I bought my domain
> ostroff.xyz through namecheap.com. I then set up email accounts
> through their provider privateemail.com. So - my current goal is
> to get my x...@ostroff.xyz email hosted somewhere else.
>
> > The longer view though is that this will get harder and harder,
> > for the reasons other people in the thread have given. google
> > and company will impose their fascist anti-spam checks and they
> > will get away with it because most everyone uses google and
> > company, and nobody but a few geeks cares about the corner case
> > of mailing lists.
> Agreed.
>
> > <sarcasm> Who needs mailing lists when we have web forums? </sarcasm>
> I absolutely agree, sarcastically or not.
> > This is what writers like Jon Corbet of LWN mean by "the death
> > of email". And this is why, if you are one of the geeks who do
> > care, the only way to prolong your life with email is to set up
> > your own server. You're already halfway there as you have your
> > own domain.
> I suppose that is where I will eventually end up, but right now,
> I'm just not up for worrying about actually running an internet
> facing service. We'll see how one of the other replies to this
> thread pushes in that direction.
I do have my own server, but I have problems sending to gmail address,
I never get a bounce, but the messages disappear, maybe they are in
the senders spam folder, but I don't think so. For those messages I
use the services of my incoming mail provider which protects me
against incoming spam which would be massive for me, and also has an
outgoing mail service which I don't like to use because of its strange
mapping of its ip addresses to names, but the whole thing works after
this strange fashion.
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?
John Covici wb2una
cov...@ccs.covici.com
