On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:32:45 +0400, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote:
Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously
file it
against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that
doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's
reasonable
to file it as an enhancement request.
Oh for pete's sake, don't be so literal. Esearch has screwed up.
Emerge has screwed up. Revdep-rebuild has screwed up. Stop reading
the leaves on the trees and paya ttention to the forest. Your quibbly
attitude is exactly the petulant behavior which makes me not want to
waste my time filing bug reports on somebody's pet eye candy.
Exactly, all of them are screwed up! Now, I can imagine 4 possible reasons
for that:
1. Each is screwed up individually. So, each deserves a bug report.
2. They share some function that is screwed up. If so, only one bug report
wil fix them all, but filing more will not hurt.
3. This is a feature since the portage colors are configurable and
developers may think it is unnecessary to have/add/maintain a command line
switch. If so, a bug bug report will be transformed into a feature request
bug report.
4. Until now all Gentoo users and developers used properly configured high
quality monitors and enjoyed both dark blue (or navy?) and light yellow
on, say, black background. Since it is unlikely that they downgrade to
something like budget LCDs, they need a bug report just to know that the
problem exists.
Ergo, please file a bug report on my eye candy.
First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer
colors
over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not,
however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't
be
honoured. It should (and it does here). Secondly, how did you come up
with
the idea that a bug report would be dismissed if you never filed one?
The UNIX standard for ages has been simple text output. Why must
gentoo add trendy colors which change every time some eye candy
fanatic gets a bug up his butt to change colors when he gets bored
with the old fashioned colors? the default ought to be colors OFF and
you have to ask to get them.
If I remember correctly, ls already had colored output when I first saw
linux in 1997. I also do not understand how the console managed to get the
ability to display colors if it was in violation of the standard. Each
portage color has a meaning, and i find it handy to know which lines to
read and which not to.
Why not create a better color scheme and submit it as a bug report?
I choose fonts small enough to get maximum density with minimum eye
strain. The only way I could read these colors would be to increase
the font size and decrease the density. If gentoo developers think
that a wise trade off when almost no other utility uses colors so much
and so horribly, then gentoo is broken by design and no amount of bug
reportage will change a damned thing. Harmony is a nice design
feature. You ought to try it sometime.
The design already has adjustable color scheme, what else do you need?
However, I agree that the design is broken; projects like Paludis would
never exist otherwise. So what?
As long as I am ranting, I may as well throw in a few rants on the
amateur kids who run gentoo; those who think the world should be
thankful for their color choices are the same idiots who linked ls
against a /usr/lib library and made my system ubootable, who removed
libraries which LVM linked against during boot and made my system
unbootable. Gentoo has good points, starting with portage, but it
also has innumerable insufferable knowitalls who make me gnash my
teeth at their inconsiderate unthinking fad-of-the-week behavior.
Yes, Gentoo is run by amateur kids. I see the only way to fix it - join
the Gentoo development.
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Andrei Gerasimenko
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