well, if anyone has this problem, to fix it I commented out the 
Listen address in httpd.conf (defined for the default vhost anyway)

I also had to comment out this section here.  the comments said it was
the default only if compiled with USE="-threads" but nevertheless it
seemed to interfere.  

#<IfModule prefork.c>
#    StartServers         2 
#    MinSpareServers      2
#    MaxSpareServers      5
#    MaxClients         150
#    MaxRequestsPerChild  0
#</IfModule>

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