Thanks Emily (Janet?). I think the title says it all: To Reclaim Our Future, We 
Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for Changing the System AND NOT THE 
CLIMATE  
Indeed, this would appear to be a strategy calling for social and political 
(re)engineering, with questionable relevance to preventing climate change. Yes, 
we could go back to the good old, low emission days of pre 1750, but that would 
appear to require some significant sacrifice in food, heat, light, and medical 
care that most might balk at. Sustainably supporting 7+ B people and a 
habitable 
climate will need some broader thinking and engineering (of all kinds). Under 
the circumstances let's not prematurely jettison our options until they are 
proven unnecessary.
-Greg



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From: Emily <em...@lewis-brown.net>
To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 12:39:01 PM
Subject: comment Re: [geo] Fw: [CAN-talk] Outcome statement of Climate Space at 
the World Social Forum in Tunisia

hi

I had written a front comment to the Outcome statement I forwarded, but 
it got stripped out:

I am not surprised that this statement calls for a ban on geo-eng when I 
look at the list of signatories.

I have replied to 'Janet' and I know some ETC people are alos monitoring 
this list - to say that statements like withis with no definition or 
qualification are unwise given the dire state of things.
It'd be like banning all medicine because some have side effects.

I call on the NGO world to take a reasoned, balanced and sophisticated 
approach to all climate adaptation and mitigation opportunities.

To clarify - I do not support the Outcome statement.

Best wishes,

Emily.

On 13/05/2013 19:56, Emily L-B wrote:
> Hi folks -
>
> I wanted to share with you a statement that was drafted at the conclusion
> of a week of workshops, plenaries, dialogues and debates convened in a
> dedicated 'climate space' at the World Social Forum in Tunisia this April.
>
> I think it paints a pretty good picture of what's on the minds of many in
> the global climate justice movement. Food for thought in our policy work.
>
> -Janet
> p.s. The statement is also attached in multiple languages
>
>
> To Reclaim Our Future, We Must Change the Present. Our Proposal for
> Changing the System and not the Climate
>
> The capitalist system has exploited and abused nature, pushing the planet
> to its limits, so much so that the system has accelerated dangerous and
> fundamental changes in the climate.
>
> Today, the severity and multiplicity of weather changes – characterized by
> droughts, desertification, floods, hurricanes, typhoons, forest fires and
> the melting of glaciers and sea ice – indicate that the planet is burning.
> These extreme changes have direct impacts on humans through the loss lives,
> livelihoods, crops and homes all of which have led to human displacement in
> the form of forced migration and climate refugees on a massive an
> unprecedented scale.
>
> Humanity and nature are now standing at a precipice. We can stand idle and
> continue the march into an abysmal future too dire to imagine, or we can
> take action and reclaim a future that we have all hoped for.
>
> We will not stand idle. We will not allow the capitalist system to burn us
> all. We will take action and address the root causes of climate change by
> changing the system. The time has come to stop talking and to take action.
>
> We must nurture, support, strengthen and increase the scale of grassroots
> organizing in all places, but in particular in frontline battlegrounds
> where the stakes are the highest.
>
> System Change means:
>
>     - Leave more than two thirds of fossil fuel reserves under the soil, as
>     well as beneath the ocean floor, in order to prevent catastrophic levels 
of
>     climate change.
>     - Ban all new exploration and exploitation of oil, tar sands, oil shale,
>     coal, uranium, and natural gas.
>     - Support a just transition for workers and communities away from the
>     extreme energy economy and into resilient local economies based on social,
>     economic and environmental justice.
>     - Decentralize the generation and ownership of energy under local
>     community control using renewable sources of energy. Invest in community
>     based, small-scale, local energy infrastructure.
>     - Stop building mega and unnecessary infrastructure projects that do not
>     benefit the population and are net contributors to greenhouse gasses like,
>     mega dams, excessive huge highways, large-scale centralized energy
>     projects, and superfluous massive airports.
>     - End the dominance of export-based industrial forms of food production,
>     (including in the livestock sector), and promote small-scale integrated 
and
>     ecologically sound farming and an agriculture system that ensures food
>     sovereignty, and that locally grown crops meet the nutritional and 
cultural
>     needs of the local community. These measures will help to cool the planet.
>     - Adopt Zero Waste approaches through promoting comprehensive recycling
>     and composting programs that end the use of greenhouse gas emitting
>     incinerators – including new generation hi-tech incinerators – and
>     landfills.
>     - Stop land grabbing and respect the rights of small farmers, peasants
>     and women. Recognize the collective rights of indigenous and tribal 
peoples
>     consistent with the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples,
>     including their rights to their lands and territories.
>     - Develop economic strategies that create new kinds of ‘climate jobs’ –
>     decent paying jobs that directly contribute to carbon reductions – in such
>     sectors as renewable energy, agriculture, public transportation and
>     building retrofits.
>     - Recover the control of the public sources to finance projects for
>     people and nature like health, education, food, employment, housing,
>     restoration of water sheds, conservation and restoration of forest and
>     other ecosystems and others and stop the subsidies to dirty industries,
>     agribusiness and military industry.
>     - Take cars off the roads by building clean public transport
>     infrastructure that is adaptive to local, non-combustion energy sources,
>     and make it accessible and affordable to everyone.
>     - Promote local production and consumption of durable goods to satisfy
>     the fundamental needs of the people and avoid the transport of goods that
>     can be produced locally.
>     - Stop and reverse corporate driven free trade and investments
>     agreements that promote trade for profit and destroy the labor force,
>     nature and the capacity of nations to define their own policies.
>     - Stop the corporate capture of the economy and natural resources for
>     the profit of Transnational Corporations.
>     - Dismantle the war industry and military infrastructure in order to
>     reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of warfare, and divert war budgets to
>     promote genuine peace.
>
> With these measures we will be able to achieve comprehensive employment for
> all because built into this systemic change there will be more and better
> quality jobs than currently exist within the capitalist system. With these
> measures we will be able to build an economy that serves the people and not
> the capitalists. We will stop the endless degradation of the earth’s land,
> air, and water and preserve the health of humans and the vital cycles of
> nature. We will avoid forced migration and millions of climate refugees.
>
> System change requires an end to the global empire of transnational
> corporations and banks. Only a society that has the type of democratic
> control over resources which is based on workers (including migrant
> workers), indigenous and women’s rights and respects the sovereignty of the
> people will be able to guarantee economic, social and environmental
> justice.  System Change requires a break from the patriarchal society in
> order to guarantee women’s rights in all aspects of life. Feminism and
> ecology are key components of the new society that we are fighting for.
>
> We need a new system that seeks harmony between humans and nature and not
> an endless growth model that the capitalist system promotes in order to
> make more and more profit. Mother Earth and her natural resources cannot
> sustain the consumption and production needs of this modern industrialized
> society. We require a new system that addresses the needs of the majority
> and not of the few. We need a redistribution of the wealth that is now
> controlled by the 1%. And we also need a new definition of wellbeing and
> prosperity for all life on the planet under the limits of our Mother Earth.
>
> While there will still be a battle inside the international UN climate
> negotiations, the main battlegrounds will be outside and will be rooted in
> the places where there are frontline struggles against the fossil fuel
> industry, industrial agriculture, deforestation, industrial pollution,
> carbon offsets schemes, and REDD-type carbon offsets projects, all
> resulting in land and water grabbing and displacements taking place all
> over the world.
>
> The United States, Europe, Japan, Russia and other industrialized
> countries, as the main historical carbon emitters, should implement the
> biggest emissions reductions. China, India, Brazil, South Africa and other
> emerging economies should also have targets for emission reductions based
> on the principles of common but differentiated responsibility. We do not
> accept that on behalf of the right to development several projects for more
> unsustainable consumption and exploitation of nature are being promoted in
> developing countries only to benefit the profits of the 1%.
>
> The fight for a new system is also the struggle against false solutions to
> climate change. If we don’t stop them they will disrupt the Earth’s System
> and deeply affect the health of nature and all life. We therefore reject
> techno-fix “solutions” like geo-engineering, genetically modified
> organisms, agrofuels,  industrial bioenergy, synthetic biology,
> nanotechnology, hydraulic fracturation (fracking), nuclear projects,
> waste-to-energy generation based on incineration, and others.
>
> We are also in opposition to those proposals that want to expand the
> commodification, financialization and privatization of the functions of
> nature through the so-called “green economy” which places a price on nature
> and creates new derivative markets that will only increase inequality and
> expedite the destruction of nature. We cannot put the future of nature and
> humanity in the hands of financial speculative mechanisms like carbon
> trading and REDD. We echo and amplify the many voices that are urging the
> European Union to scrap the EU Emissions Trading Scheme.
>
> REDD (Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and forest Degradation), like
> Clean Development Mechanisms, is not a solution to climate change and is a
> new form of colonialism. In defense of Indigenous Peoples, local
> communities and the environment, we reject REDD+ and the grabbing of the
> forests, farmlands, soils, mangroves, marine algae and oceans of the world
> which act as sponges for greenhouse gas pollution. REDD and its potential
> expansion constitutes a worldwide counter-agrarian reform which perverts
> and twists the task of growing food into a process of “farming carbon”
> called Climate Smart Agriculture.
>
> We must link social and environmental struggles, bring together rural and
> urban communities, and combine local and global initiatives so that we can
> unite together in a common struggle. We must use all diverse forms of
> resistance. We must build a movement that is based on the daily life of
> people that guarantees democracy at all stages of societies.
>
> Many proposals already contain key elements needed to build new systemic
> alternatives. Some examples include, Buen Vivir, defending the commons,
> respecting Indigenous territories and community conserved areas, the rights
> of Mother Earth – rights of Nature, food sovereignty, prosperity without
> growth, de-globalization, the happiness index, the duties to and rights of
> future generations, the Peoples Agreement of Cochabamba and others.
>
> We have all long hoped for the possibility of another world. Today, we take
> that hope and turn it into courage, strength and action – that together, we
> can change the system. If there is to be a future for humanity, we need to
> fight for it right now.
>
> *April 2013*
>
> Signed by the facilitators of the Climate Space:
>
>     - Alliance of Progressive Labor, Philippines
>     - Alternatives International
>     - ATTAC France
>     - Ecologistas en Acción
>     - Environmental Rights Action, Nigeria
>     - ETC Group
>     - Fairwatch, Italy
>     - Focus on the Global South
>     - Global Campaign to Dismantle Corporate Power and end TNCs’ impunity
>     - Global Forest Coalition
>     - Grassroots Global Justice Alliance
>     - Grupo de Reflexão e Apoio ao Processo do Fórum Social Mundial
>     - Indigenous Environmental Network
>     - La Via Campesina
>     - No-REDD Africa Network
>     - Migrants Rights International
>     - OilWatch International
>     - Polaris Institute
>     - Transnational Institute
>

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