Thanks. Yes, lots of great ideas out there.
Speaking of the Virgin Earth Challenge (apparently the only CDR game in town),
what the heck happened to the prize? Did they quietly select a winner, split
the
money among finalists, or say "sorry, no winner, thanks for all of the great
ideas, we were just kidding."??? For all of the initial splash, the VEC seemed
to end very somberly. Given the importance of the topic and Branson's apparent
enthusiasm, why?
-Greg
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From: Oliver Tickell <oliver.tick...@kyoto2.org>
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Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Meanwhile, in CDR news...
But why no mention of CDR by accelerated rock weathering (AGR)? This is
one of the solutions selected by the Virgin Challenge - the one from
Netherlands. And it is being promoted by Olaf Schuilling, who is a member
of this Geoengineering Group.
This is a low tech, low cost approach - which consists of mining olivine
bearing rock, grinding it up to approx 0.1mm, and spreading it land /
coast where it will completely weather away over a period of under 10
years, converting CO2 to bicarbonate in solution. All for ~$10/tCO2.
Emissions for mining, transport, grinding, just a few % of the CO2 gain.
So what's not to include about it? Oliver.
On 02/06/2013 20:29, RAU greg wrote:
Thanks, David, very nice review. Where our technology departs from
the
higher profile abiotic methods you discuss is: 1) expensively
concentrated CO2 is not formed (or stored), 2) reactions occur at
ambient T and P - exotic chemicals and conditions are avoided (so
far), 3) excess ocean rather than excess air CO2 can be mitigated,
avoiding the need for more complex air scrubbing technology. Why go
to
the added expense/effort of getting air CO2 into solution to then do
chemistry when vast areas of the surface ocean are already
supersaturated in CO2? Doing the chemistry there completely avoids
the giant land footprint and energy required for air scrubbing that
you mention, as well as avoids the need for molecular CO2
sequestration or use. Obviously, the safety of doing this in the
ocean needs to be researched, but generating ocean alkalinity would
seem an improvement over our current ocean acidification "program".
I'm not alone in my thinking; this builds on Kheshgi (1995), House et
al. (2007), and Harvey (2008) among others.
>-Greg
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From: David Appell <david.app...@gmail.com>
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>Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:55:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Meanwhile, in CDR news...
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>Mark:
>
>I have an article in this month's Physics World magazine that
>answers some of these questions:
>
>“Mopping Up Carbon,” Physics World, June 2013, pp. 23-27.
>http://www.davidappell.com/articles/PWJun13Appell-air_capture.pdf
>
>David
>
>
>On 6/2/2013 8:05 AM, Mark Massmann wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone can respond to these questions:
>>
>> I could be missing this, but how long is it estimated to take
>> for
>>the devices to capture each ton of CO2? If the systems were
>>installed to capture coal plant emissions, I'd imagine that the
>>capture rate would be maximized. However installing the systems
>>outside of those sources might lower the capture rate to the
>>point
>>that the system becomes impractical (i.e. like installing a wind
>>farm in a location that's simply not windy enough on average)
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