To be blunt, I think many (but by no means all) of these SRM vs. CDR vs. whatever discussions will become meaningless once we're desperate enough for relief from CC impacts.
And looking at all the relevant metrics -- current CO2 emissions, infrastructure lock-in, the potential for large CO2 + CH4 emissions from the Arctic -- we're clearly on a path for almost unimaginable desperation. I don't think the argument for developing technologies like SRM and CDR has to go any further than that. Barring a stunning reversal of worldwide emissions patterns (and some luck in the Arctic), there's virtually no chance we can escape massive pain without GE. I wish our political "leaders" would act like adults [insert laughter here] and get on with the job of preparing for GE and emergency mitigation efforts. On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:41:43 AM UTC-4, Ron wrote: > > Andrew and List: > > Obviously Professor Hume's new book will not provide a happy addition > for those on this list interested in SRM. But not a new view. I can't > contribute, for lack of proper study reasons, but I hope others will. > > But I also hope Professor Hume and others would comment on the other > interest of this list - the CDR portion on each of his three points: > > Desirable - I take most of the CDR approaches to be "desirable" > using the comparison with controlling local weather. Not addressing > rising temperatures will be based on the undesirable aspect of societal > costs and externalities apparently. Ethical issues are in this first > category. > > Governable - Mostly, the CDR approaches seem governable - at least > to the extent that parceling out carbon credits obviously will require > following some rules, that we already (sort of) know how to do and are > doing. > > Reliable - Same response. Funding unreliable CDR approaches won't be > tolerated very long in a CDR market open to all (10?) CDR approaches > > Ron > > > On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Andrew Lockley > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > http://www.mikehulme.org/2013/09/can-science-fix-climate-change/ > > Professor Mike Hulme's Site« Forthcoming book > > Can science fix climate change? > > (23 September 2013) ‘Can science fix climate change?‘ I have just > submitted my full manuscript of this new book title to Polity Press. The > book argues against the research and deployment of large-scale sunlight > reflection methods, especially stratospheric aerosol injection, as a > response to climate change. The book will appear in the New Year as part > of their New Human Frontiers series. Here is a brief summary:“In this book > I outline the reasons why I believe this particular climate fix—creating a > thermostat for the planet–is undesirable, ungovernable and unreliable. It > is undesirablebecause regulating global temperature is not the same thing > as controlling local weather and climate. It is ungovernable because there > is no plausible and legitimate process for deciding who sets the world’s > temperature. And it is unreliable because of the law of unintended > consequences: deliberate intervention with the atmosphere on a global-scale > will lead to unpredictable, dangerous and contentious outcomes. I make my > position clear: I do not wish to live in this brave new climate-controlled > world. In Aldous Huxley’s 1932 novel ‘Brave New World’, his ironic Utopia > was brought about by totalitarian engineering of the human subject–‘Yes, > everybody’s happy now’. For those promoting the virtues of designer > climates the equivalent pathological Utopia would be brought about by > totalitarian engineering of the planet.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
