Obviously, the results of the World Climate Summit need not feed into the NAS 
study.  The Council of Scientific Society Presidents presumably has bigger fish 
to fry. 

Dr. Bertsch states:
"The intended outcome [of the meeting] was to establish a dialogue and initiate 
a scientific society driven process to identify interdisciplinary research 
directions and explore potential governance structures."

In fact the intended impact of the meeting appears to be much more ambitious if 
not sinister:
http://thecssp.us/meetings/world-science-summit-on-climate-engineering-future-guiding-principles-ethics
"From your Summit participation and involvement, we will take the next critical 
step of defining what is and is not acceptable for scientists to pursue as 
members of the scientific community.  We will create a set of guiding 
principles for climate engineering research.  We will circulate these 
principles to the broad scientific community, for endorsement by their 
professional societies and associations.  We aim to include the broadest 
cross-section of the scientific community to define the scope and scale of 
climate engineering research that can be reasonably pursued and why. We will 
identify the research that falls outside those boundaries, requiring world 
scale formal governance structures, strictures, and instruments to implement."

Translation: We are going to set the rules for climate engineering, and with a 
significant minority of climate engineers present and invited to provide input. 
 Scientists disagreeing with the process and outcomes will be dealt with 
accordingly by our Department of Structures, Strictures and Instruments. So it 
be written, so it be done. 

Greg

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To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: [geo] Re: Climate tinkerers thrash out a plan : Nature News & Comment


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Fere's a response posted as a comment on the piece at Nature

Paul Bertsch
•
2014-12-03 05:45 PM
On behalf of the organizers and participants of the World Climate Summit on 
Climate Engineering, I would point out inaccuracies and misrepresentations in 
the article “Climate thinkers thrash out a plan“. The article incorrectly 
characterizes the individuals involved in the meeting, the intended outcome of 
the meeting, and the suggestion that the outcome or recommendations of the 
meeting would feed into the recently completed study by the National Academy of 
Sciences, which is currently under review. The meeting was sponsored by the 
Council of Scientific Society Presidents, which is comprised of scientific and 
science education society leaders whose members number close to 1.4 M, but not 
a meeting of all of those leaders. The intended outcome was to establish a 
dialogue and initiate a scientific society driven process to identify 
interdisciplinary research directions and explore potential governance 
structures. The intention was never to
 generate information that would feed into the study by the National Academy of 
Sciences, as this study is currently under peer review. Paul M Bertsch 
Past-chair, Council of Scientific Society Presidents



On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:58:48 UTC-5, andrewjlockley  wrote:

http://www.nature.com/news/ climate-tinkerers-thrash-out- a-plan-1.16470
NATURE | NEWS
Climate tinkerers thrash out a plan
Geoengineers meet to work out what research is acceptable.
Quirin Schiermeier
02 December 2014
On 1 December, the United Nations kicked off a summit in Lima that aims to 
forge a global deal to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. Now, representatives of 
dozens of scientific societies are gathering in Washington DC to thrash out a 
set of principles for researching highly controversial technologies known as 
geoengineering. The methods offer ways to cool the planet should political 
approaches fail.
“There are a number of risks and unknowns,” says Paul Bertsch, deputy director 
of the Land and Water Flagship at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial 
Research Organisation in Brisbane, Australia, and past chair of the Council of 
Scientific Society Presidents, which is convening the geoengineering meeting. 
“So we urgently need to develop and implement a coordinated research plan that 
begins to address these in a deliberate way.”Some ideas, such as injecting 
carbon dioxide into rocks or the depths of the ocean, are already being tested. 
Others are more futuristic: spraying sea water into the air to brighten clouds 
and reflect more sunlight back into space; adding sulphate particles to the 
upper atmosphere to mimic the natural cooling effect of volcanic ash; and even 
placing giant mirrors into orbit to reflect sunlight before it reaches Earth.
Not one, however, has garnered much enthusiasm in environmental or political 
spheres. The idea of tinkering with the planet smacks of scientific hubris, and 
many are worried about unintended consequences. Climate scientists are 
concerned, for example, that adding sulphate to the stratosphere might reduce 
rainfall in some regions and worsen ozone depletion.
On 2–3 December, leaders of societies representing some 1.4 million scientists, 
engineers and educators will work out what research is and is not acceptable 
given the possible social, ecological and economic effects of climate 
engineering. A conference held in 2010 in Asilomar, California, failed to 
produce clear guidelines (see Nature 464,656; 2010).Most scientists say that it 
is too early to consider large-scale trials, especially for solar-radiation 
management, because the techniques have not yet been adequately tested in 
controlled settings. However, many maintain that geoengineering should not be 
ruled out as a last resort to prevent the worst effects of global warming.
“The question is when, if at all, should we start doing outdoor experiments?” 
says Matthew Watson, a volcanologist at the University of Bristol, UK, who is 
overseeing a project to determine how the deliberate spreading of sun-blocking 
particles might alter atmospheric chemistry (see ‘UK experiments’). “I don’t 
particularly ‘like’ geoengineering, but I’m afraid we do need to think about 
controlled field trials.”
Matthew Watson, a volcanologist at the University of Bristol, presented the 
results of the Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering (SPICE) 
project. SPICE investigated whether spraying particles into the atmosphere 
could reflect sunlight and cool the planet, offsetting global warming. A 
planned test of some of the technology was abandoned in 2012 when 
conflict-of-interest issues emerged over a patent application for the system. 
But Watson says that SPICE produced useful insights, such as how a large-scale 
project might alter the Sahel region in Africa.
Piers Forster at the University of Leeds, who led the Integrated Assessment of 
Geoengineering Proposals project, said that his team’s computer modelling 
showed that several techniques to manage the Sun’s radiation would produce 
damaging changes in rainfall that could affect 25–65% of the world’s 
population.Watson, Forster and the University of Oxford’s Steve Rayner, who is 
leader of a third effort called the Climate Geoengineering Governance project, 
agreed that their work created many questions.
A method that has already been tested — ocean fertilization — provides a 
particularly thorny case study. The idea was to boost ocean uptake of carbon 
dioxide by pouring iron into the sea to stimulate the growth of algal blooms. 
When the algae die, the captured carbon sinks to the ocean floor, where it may 
remain locked away for centuries.
But the approach came under fire when eco-entrepreneurs smelled business 
opportunities. Plans by companies in the United States and Australia to 
fertilize large swathes of ocean to generate carbon credits that could be sold 
on greenhouse-gas-emissions markets were headed off by a 2008 amendment to the 
London Convention, an international treaty that governs ocean pollution.
Together with a resolution made under the United Nations Convention on 
Biological Diversity a few months earlier, the amendment made it difficult to 
conduct trials of ocean fertilization. In 2009, for example, an international 
research cruise was stopped en route to the Southern Ocean over fears that an 
iron-stimulated algal bloom the team had planned to encourage there might 
violate international law.
Meanwhile, another attempt, by an amateur scientist in 2012 off the coast of 
British Columbia, led to an international storm of protest and prompted heated 
discussions in the Canadian government over the legality of the experiment.
Such unresolved governance issues mean that little funding is available for 
further studies. “We’re caught up in politics,” says Ken Buesseler, an ocean 
scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. “You’d 
absolutely like to avoid rogue experiments that don’t generate proper science. 
But there is every reason to pursue real science in the field in an open and 
responsible way.”Meeting discussions are aimed at creating comprehensive 
guidelines for the safe conduct of field experiments, and will feed into a 
report that the US National Academies intends to release early next year on the 
technical feasibility of selected climate-engineering mechanisms.
Neither ocean fertilization nor any other single activity will solve the global 
warming problem, cautions Anya Waite of the Alfred Wegener Institute in 
Bremerhaven, Germany, who represents the fields of oceanography and limnology 
at this week’s meeting. “But limited ocean-fertilization experiments are 
telling us a lot about how biological processes in the ocean control climate. 
In terms of new regulations, they should be the first cab off the ranks.”
Nature 516, 20–21 
(04 December 2014) 

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Subject: [geo] Re: Climate tinkerers thrash out a plan : Nature News & Comment


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Paul Bertsch
•
2014-12-03 05:45 PM
On behalf of the organizers and participants of the World Climate Summit on 
Climate Engineering, I would point out inaccuracies and misrepresentations in 
the article “Climate thinkers thrash out a plan“. The article incorrectly 
characterizes the individuals involved in the meeting, the intended outcome of 
the meeting, and the suggestion that the outcome or recommendations of the 
meeting would feed into the recently completed study by the National Academy of 
Sciences, which is currently under review. The meeting was sponsored by the 
Council of Scientific Society Presidents, which is comprised of scientific and 
science education society leaders whose members number close to 1.4 M, but not 
a meeting of all of those leaders. The intended outcome was to establish a 
dialogue and initiate a scientific society driven process to identify 
interdisciplinary research directions and explore potential governance 
structures. The intention was never to
 generate information that would feed into the study by the National Academy of 
Sciences, as this study is currently under peer review. Paul M Bertsch 
Past-chair, Council of Scientific Society Presidents



On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 18:58:48 UTC-5, andrewjlockley  wrote:

http://www.nature.com/news/ climate-tinkerers-thrash-out- a-plan-1.16470
NATURE | NEWS
Climate tinkerers thrash out a plan
Geoengineers meet to work out what research is acceptable.
Quirin Schiermeier
02 December 2014
On 1 December, the United Nations kicked off a summit in Lima that aims to 
forge a global deal to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. Now, representatives of 
dozens of scientific societies are gathering in Washington DC to thrash out a 
set of principles for researching highly controversial technologies known as 
geoengineering. The methods offer ways to cool the planet should political 
approaches fail.
“There are a number of risks and unknowns,” says Paul Bertsch, deputy director 
of the Land and Water Flagship at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial 
Research Organisation in Brisbane, Australia, and past chair of the Council of 
Scientific Society Presidents, which is convening the geoengineering meeting. 
“So we urgently need to develop and implement a coordinated research plan that 
begins to address these in a deliberate way.”Some ideas, such as injecting 
carbon dioxide into rocks or the depths of the ocean, are already being tested. 
Others are more futuristic: spraying sea water into the air to brighten clouds 
and reflect more sunlight back into space; adding sulphate particles to the 
upper atmosphere to mimic the natural cooling effect of volcanic ash; and even 
placing giant mirrors into orbit to reflect sunlight before it reaches Earth.
Not one, however, has garnered much enthusiasm in environmental or political 
spheres. The idea of tinkering with the planet smacks of scientific hubris, and 
many are worried about unintended consequences. Climate scientists are 
concerned, for example, that adding sulphate to the stratosphere might reduce 
rainfall in some regions and worsen ozone depletion.
On 2–3 December, leaders of societies representing some 1.4 million scientists, 
engineers and educators will work out what research is and is not acceptable 
given the possible social, ecological and economic effects of climate 
engineering. A conference held in 2010 in Asilomar, California, failed to 
produce clear guidelines (see Nature 464,656; 2010).Most scientists say that it 
is too early to consider large-scale trials, especially for solar-radiation 
management, because the techniques have not yet been adequately tested in 
controlled settings. However, many maintain that geoengineering should not be 
ruled out as a last resort to prevent the worst effects of global warming.
“The question is when, if at all, should we start doing outdoor experiments?” 
says Matthew Watson, a volcanologist at the University of Bristol, UK, who is 
overseeing a project to determine how the deliberate spreading of sun-blocking 
particles might alter atmospheric chemistry (see ‘UK experiments’). “I don’t 
particularly ‘like’ geoengineering, but I’m afraid we do need to think about 
controlled field trials.”
Matthew Watson, a volcanologist at the University of Bristol, presented the 
results of the Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering (SPICE) 
project. SPICE investigated whether spraying particles into the atmosphere 
could reflect sunlight and cool the planet, offsetting global warming. A 
planned test of some of the technology was abandoned in 2012 when 
conflict-of-interest issues emerged over a patent application for the system. 
But Watson says that SPICE produced useful insights, such as how a large-scale 
project might alter the Sahel region in Africa.
Piers Forster at the University of Leeds, who led the Integrated Assessment of 
Geoengineering Proposals project, said that his team’s computer modelling 
showed that several techniques to manage the Sun’s radiation would produce 
damaging changes in rainfall that could affect 25–65% of the world’s 
population.Watson, Forster and the University of Oxford’s Steve Rayner, who is 
leader of a third effort called the Climate Geoengineering Governance project, 
agreed that their work created many questions.
A method that has already been tested — ocean fertilization — provides a 
particularly thorny case study. The idea was to boost ocean uptake of carbon 
dioxide by pouring iron into the sea to stimulate the growth of algal blooms. 
When the algae die, the captured carbon sinks to the ocean floor, where it may 
remain locked away for centuries.
But the approach came under fire when eco-entrepreneurs smelled business 
opportunities. Plans by companies in the United States and Australia to 
fertilize large swathes of ocean to generate carbon credits that could be sold 
on greenhouse-gas-emissions markets were headed off by a 2008 amendment to the 
London Convention, an international treaty that governs ocean pollution.
Together with a resolution made under the United Nations Convention on 
Biological Diversity a few months earlier, the amendment made it difficult to 
conduct trials of ocean fertilization. In 2009, for example, an international 
research cruise was stopped en route to the Southern Ocean over fears that an 
iron-stimulated algal bloom the team had planned to encourage there might 
violate international law.
Meanwhile, another attempt, by an amateur scientist in 2012 off the coast of 
British Columbia, led to an international storm of protest and prompted heated 
discussions in the Canadian government over the legality of the experiment.
Such unresolved governance issues mean that little funding is available for 
further studies. “We’re caught up in politics,” says Ken Buesseler, an ocean 
scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. “You’d 
absolutely like to avoid rogue experiments that don’t generate proper science. 
But there is every reason to pursue real science in the field in an open and 
responsible way.”Meeting discussions are aimed at creating comprehensive 
guidelines for the safe conduct of field experiments, and will feed into a 
report that the US National Academies intends to release early next year on the 
technical feasibility of selected climate-engineering mechanisms.
Neither ocean fertilization nor any other single activity will solve the global 
warming problem, cautions Anya Waite of the Alfred Wegener Institute in 
Bremerhaven, Germany, who represents the fields of oceanography and limnology 
at this week’s meeting. “But limited ocean-fertilization experiments are 
telling us a lot about how biological processes in the ocean control climate. 
In terms of new regulations, they should be the first cab off the ranks.”
Nature 516, 20–21 
(04 December 2014) 

doi:10.1038/516020a
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