Is this the first bill at the state or national level, anywhere, to regulate CE?
RE: Wil’s noting that “it's really unclear why it [the RI bill] seeks to regulate carbon dioxide removal research at all.” Do not overestimate either the typical understanding of climate engineering or the staff resources of a state assemblyman or –woman, particular from a small state. At this time, the inclusion of both CDR and SRM under “geoengineering” or “climate engineering” does more harm than good, and this is evidence of this dynamic.* RE: Josh’s note about the sponsors. Good find. Of course, we can’t assume anything from merely being a member of a Facebook group. Regardless, for the curious, here is the “about” of Rhode Island Against Chemtrails and Geoengineering: Do you know if your city in Rhode Island has been sprayed with Chemtrails? Residents in Rhode Island were not warned that they are going to be sprayed and are now breathing an atmosphere that has been geoengineered to contain ethylene dibromide, aluminum oxide, barium salts, strontium, URANIUM 238, cadmium, copper sulfate, mercury, sulfur, radio active thorium, and an assortment of other geoengineered toxic soups. ---------------------- Will bill H7655 be reintroduced soon? Are there any citizen's groups calling and writing to the sponsors of the bill? If just one state...even the smallest...steps up to bring this to the light of day, perhaps some positive action will be taken. We cannot continue to let legislators ignore us! ----------------------------------------------------------------- The US military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. The technology, which is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is an appendage of the Strategic Defense Initiative – ‘Star Wars’. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilizing agricultural and ecological systems around the world. Bill H7655 of last year’s session is here http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/HouseText14/H7655.pdf which appears to be the same bill. It had different sponsors (MacBeth, Dickinson, Ferri, Messier) , and it seems to have died in committee: 02/27/2014 Introduced, referred to House Environment and Natural Resources 03/28/2014 Scheduled for hearing and/or consideration<http://status.rilin.state.ri.us/documents/agenda-10219.pdf> (04/03/2014) 04/03/2014 Committee recommended measure be held for further study A quick scan revealed no bills before 2014, but I may have missed one or more. Cheers, Jesse * In fact, the categorization enables likely purposeful obfuscation by through asserting, for example, that “climate engineering would give whoever controls it the power to alter the weather worldwide”, yet then claim both “There are hundreds of CE patents” and “There are CE outdoor tests occurring all over the world.” The former statement refers to the high leverage SRM and the latter two primarily to localized, lower risk CDR methods (BECCS etc). This is all technically true but misleading. ----------------------------------------- Jesse L. Reynolds, PhD Postdoctoral researcher Research funding coordinator, sustainability and climate European and International Public Law Tilburg Sustainability Center Tilburg University, The Netherlands Book review editor, Law, Innovation, and Technology email: j.l.reyno...@uvt.nl<mailto:j.l.reyno...@uvt.nl> http://works.bepress.com/jessreyn/ From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Horton Sent: 23 March 2015 16:41 To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Cc: kcalde...@gmail.com; tdhes...@central.uh.edu Subject: Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering I live next door in Massachusetts so take a particular interest in this. The bill has two sponsors, both Democrats: * Rep. Karen MacBeth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_MacBeth * Rep. James McLaughlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McLaughlin_(politician) They serve together on the Committee on Veterans' Affairs, and both represent Cumberland. It just so happens that MacBeth is a member of Rhode Island Against Chemtrails and Geoengineering https://www.facebook.com/groups/RhodeIslandAgainstChemtrails/members/ Josh Horton On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:10:27 AM UTC-4, Alan Robock wrote: Since the bill defines geoengineering as counteracting global warning and not global warming, do we have anything to worry about? The bill makes no distinction between small scale experiments and large scale implementation, but I guess that is what the review process is for. Alan Robock Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor Editor, Reviews of Geophysics Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751 Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644 14 College Farm Road E-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu<javascript:> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock http://twitter.com/AlanRobock Watch my 18 min TEDx talk at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrEk1oZ-54 On 3/22/2015 7:41 PM, Ken Caldeira wrote: If this is real and not a joke, and it passes in its present form, it seems as if someone in Rhode Island could potentially be fined and imprisoned for planting a tree with the intent of absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. _______________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcal...@carnegiescience.edu<javascript:> website: http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/ blog: http://kencaldeira.org<http://kencaldeira.org/> @KenCaldeira My assistant is Dawn Ross <dr...@carnegiescience.edu<javascript:>>, with access to incoming emails. Postdoc positions available in my group: https://jobs.carnegiescience.edu/jobs/dge/ On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Hester, Tracy <tdhe...@central.uh.edu<javascript:>> wrote: We now have possibly the first state proposed legislation in the United States to control climate engineering efforts. A bill (H-5480) was recently introduced in the Rhode Island legislature that would require any climate engineering efforts to undergo an approval process and two (at least) public hearings. The bill would impose fines and up to 90 days imprisonment for each day that the unapproved climate engineering continues. The bill also gives Rhode Island's environmental agency the ability to enjoin and halt an unapproved project. If you’d like to get more details, you can review the bill itself at http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText15/HouseText15/H5480.pdf These local initiatives might pop up in other state legislatures if climate engineering research gains momentum (especially after the NAS reports last month). If so, the prospect of overlapping or conflicting regulations from multiple states will often spur the federal government to impose its own consolidated regulatory scheme to preempt the state efforts. Professor Tracy Hester University of Houston Law Center 100 Law Center Houston, Texas 77204 713-743-1152 tdhe...@central.uh.edu<javascript:> Web bio: www.law.uh.edu/faculty/thester<http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/thester> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineerin...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>. 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