Steven Hawking has said this about moving planets before. This is why ultra 
physics is in some ways part of the problem. It makes people think purely in 
terms of equations and possibility theorems.

Neil Young considered this escape option more memorably and critically in the 
1970s. He noted there would just be a chosen few. And they wouldn't be 
peasants. He thought it was wrong then and it still is.

There is one home planet. We need to clean up our act.

Michael

Well, I dreamed I saw the knights in armour coming, saying something about a 
queen.
There were peasants singing and drummers drumming and the archer split the tree.
There was a fanfare blowing to the sun that was floating on the breeze.
Look at Mother Nature on the run in the nineteen seventies.
Look at Mother Nature on the run in the nineteen seventies.

I was lying in a burned out basement with the full moon in my eyes. I was 
hoping for replacement when the sun burst through the sky There was a band 
playing in my head and I felt like getting high. I was thinking about what a 
friend had said, I was hoping it was a lie. Thinking about what a friend had 
said, I was hoping it was a lie.

Well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceships flying in the yellow haze of the 
sun,
There were children crying and colors flying all around the chosen ones.
All in a dream, all in a dream, the loading had begun.
They were flying Mother Nature’s silver seed to a new home in the sun.
Flying Mother Nature’s silver seed to a new home.



On 6 May 2017, at 05:21, Jonathan Marshall 
<jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au<mailto:jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au>> wrote:


I  don't really think he's talking 6-7 billion people either  - but I think it 
needs to be pointed out.... because people tend to think it would include them. 
 No it won't.

Even so, doing this for a couple of thousand people, "the select few", would 
take hellish amounts of effort and money - and if you are going to do all that, 
then its much better to work on ending the problem.

jon



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I don't think Hawkins is talking 6-7B people, but a select few who could keep 
the species going somewhere.  Who gets to stay and who gets to go and why ought 
to pose a moral dilemma that could keep our ethicist friends busy for years. 
I'm not religious, but wouldn't this be like the Rapture 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
Anyway, we've transcended geoengineering, but what the heck it's Friday.
Greg



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From: Jonathan Marshall 
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To: "geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>" 
<geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>>
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Subject: Re: [geo] Plan C


Yes, another problem is that Hawkins forgets how much energy and effort we 
would have to expend to get 6-7 billion people to another planet, and for them 
to be able to live afterwards

Even getting a couple of thousand people would be a truly enormous effort.

Much easier to stop using coal, build asteroid defense units.... etc....

jon
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Subject: [geo] Plan C

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/tomorrows-world/television

"Professor Stephen Hawking thinks the human species will have to populate a new 
planet within 100 years if it is to survive. With climate change, overdue 
asteroid strikes, epidemics and population growth, our own planet is 
increasingly precarious."

GR-  We refuse to live sustainably on Earth, so let's move? The ultimate moral 
hazard - why bother changing behavior if we can simply spread our unsustainable 
behavior to other planets?  Perhaps one of our ethicist friends would care to 
weigh in.

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