Steven Hawking has said this about moving planets before. This is why ultra physics is in some ways part of the problem. It makes people think purely in terms of equations and possibility theorems.
Neil Young considered this escape option more memorably and critically in the 1970s. He noted there would just be a chosen few. And they wouldn't be peasants. He thought it was wrong then and it still is. There is one home planet. We need to clean up our act. Michael Well, I dreamed I saw the knights in armour coming, saying something about a queen. There were peasants singing and drummers drumming and the archer split the tree. There was a fanfare blowing to the sun that was floating on the breeze. Look at Mother Nature on the run in the nineteen seventies. Look at Mother Nature on the run in the nineteen seventies. I was lying in a burned out basement with the full moon in my eyes. I was hoping for replacement when the sun burst through the sky There was a band playing in my head and I felt like getting high. I was thinking about what a friend had said, I was hoping it was a lie. Thinking about what a friend had said, I was hoping it was a lie. Well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceships flying in the yellow haze of the sun, There were children crying and colors flying all around the chosen ones. All in a dream, all in a dream, the loading had begun. They were flying Mother Nature’s silver seed to a new home in the sun. Flying Mother Nature’s silver seed to a new home. On 6 May 2017, at 05:21, Jonathan Marshall <jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au<mailto:jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au>> wrote: I don't really think he's talking 6-7 billion people either - but I think it needs to be pointed out.... because people tend to think it would include them. No it won't. Even so, doing this for a couple of thousand people, "the select few", would take hellish amounts of effort and money - and if you are going to do all that, then its much better to work on ending the problem. jon ________________________________ From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> <geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:gh...@sbcglobal.net>> Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2017 1:17 PM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [geo] Plan C I don't think Hawkins is talking 6-7B people, but a select few who could keep the species going somewhere. Who gets to stay and who gets to go and why ought to pose a moral dilemma that could keep our ethicist friends busy for years. I'm not religious, but wouldn't this be like the Rapture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture Anyway, we've transcended geoengineering, but what the heck it's Friday. Greg ________________________________ From: Jonathan Marshall <jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au<mailto:jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au>> To: "geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>" <geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [geo] Plan C Yes, another problem is that Hawkins forgets how much energy and effort we would have to expend to get 6-7 billion people to another planet, and for them to be able to live afterwards Even getting a couple of thousand people would be a truly enormous effort. Much easier to stop using coal, build asteroid defense units.... etc.... jon ________________________________________ From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> <geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:gh...@sbcglobal.net>> Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2017 10:22 AM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> Subject: [geo] Plan C http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/tomorrows-world/television "Professor Stephen Hawking thinks the human species will have to populate a new planet within 100 years if it is to survive. With climate change, overdue asteroid strikes, epidemics and population growth, our own planet is increasingly precarious." GR- We refuse to live sustainably on Earth, so let's move? The ultimate moral hazard - why bother changing behavior if we can simply spread our unsustainable behavior to other planets? 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