Now we’re acting! Who would we propose it to? Said another way-Who would we invite to do that, whom we would support?
Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Robbie Tulip <robbietu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Australian government could be invited to investigate international > agreement for marine cloud brightening in the Southern Ocean to cool > Antarctica. > >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 3:22 pm, Peter Fiekowsky <pfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Robert- >> It's one thing to be logically correct, and logically I and probably >> everyone on this list agrees with you that SRM right now would be smart, >> even moral. >> >> I, and probably you and everyone on this list is working on this in order to >> leave a world our children and grandchildren can flourish in--obviously >> including our Holocene ecosystems. >> >> As far as I can tell we've been in agreement for ten or fifteen years. Has >> that agreement changed the planet? >> I'd say no. I don't think the physical world responds much to the brain >> patterns in my head, or the ones in your head which we call agreement. >> >> What's needed is action that will restore the climate. Let's get action >> going. Physical action. How do we do that? >> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:22 PM Robbie Tulip <robbietu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Low albedo is dangerous and can only be mitigated by oceanic and >>> atmospheric technology. Solar radiation management systems are needed to >>> increase planetary albedo and mitigate the economic and social and >>> ecological harms of climate change by limiting extreme weather events. The >>> benefits of regulating planetary weather far far outweigh the risks and >>> costs of neglecting work to stabilise the climate. This is a major and >>> serious moral problem regarding whether humanity can take action to prevent >>> and reverse the worst effects of climate change in this decade. >>> >>> Robert Tulip >>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 2:06 pm, Peter Fiekowsky <pfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Robert- >>>> SRM is a logical top priority. >>>> Who will pay for it? >>>> How will those doing it avoid assassination? (Moral or physical) >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Mar 2, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Robbie Tulip <robbietu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> To answer your question, carbon capture can collect CO2 to transform it >>>>> into stable valuable commodities. But CO2 storage is wrong and useless >>>>> for climate restoration. Chemical and photosynthetic use of CO2 as >>>>> feedstock to produce biomass and materials needs to replace the CCS >>>>> paradigm. First though we need to increase albedo as the emergency >>>>> security response against extreme weather. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Robert 🌷 >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 1:54 am, Peter Fiekowsky <pfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Ye- >>>>>> What does carbon capture have to do with climate restoration? >>>>>> Carbon capture is for enhanced oil recovery and for selling expensive >>>>>> carbon offsets. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're interested in carbon sequestration at the 50 Gt/year scale, such >>>>>> as with synthetic limestone, plankton, kelp. >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:59 AM Ye Tao <t...@rowland.harvard.edu> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> No Peter, this is not argument for restoring CO2 below 300ppm; lack of >>>>>>>> a logical connection notwithstanding, carbon capture at scale simply >>>>>>>> infeasible before we are all fried. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ye >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 9:15 PM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting. I remember that Michael Mann wrote a Scientific American >>>>>>>> article about 1999, telling us to expect 0.5C warming when we >>>>>>>> eliminate the sulfates. We knew it would happen, and it's happening. >>>>>>>> Maybe it's not so shocking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know how much sulfates still come from coal plants? Back >>>>>>>> in 1999 that was the big source, I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This could be an argument to pursue climate restoration, restoring CO2 >>>>>>>> below 300 ppm, to cool the planet. >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:39 PM Ron Baiman <rpbai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thanks Peter. Unfortunately, the paper and podcast are referring to >>>>>>>>> a termination shock that is potentially happening right now due to a >>>>>>>>> well-intentioned regulation to cut the sulfur content of cargo ships >>>>>>>>> from a prior average of 3.5% sulfur to 0.5% >>>>>>>>> (https://www.joc.com/special-topics/low-sulfur-fuel-rule ) that >>>>>>>>> became fully effective Jan. 2020. Using ocean water surface >>>>>>>>> temperature measurement and satellite atmospheric albedo >>>>>>>>> measurements, for the north atlantic and north pacific major >>>>>>>>> shipping lanes, they estimate (still in process of verification) up >>>>>>>>> to (at the maximal estimate) a 50% jump in global warming (as I >>>>>>>>> recall from the podcast), from the time this regulation became fully >>>>>>>>> effective compared to prior years, as a direct result of the loss of >>>>>>>>> sulfur emissions across these (very large) ocean regions. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:44 PM Peter Fiekowsky <pfi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ron- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just so you know-When looking through a climate restoration lens, >>>>>>>>>> with CO2 below 300 ppm by 2050, termination shock doesn't happen. >>>>>>>>>> This is because CO2 is back to pre-industrial levels by 2050, and >>>>>>>>>> therefore forcing is too. SRM or SAI would only be needed for 15 >>>>>>>>>> years between 2030 and 2045. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It might be useful starting now, but politically, there is no >>>>>>>>>> justification for it because it doesn't benefit the UN net-zero goal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can read more about climate restoration in my book coming out in >>>>>>>>>> April. The summary chapter is available for free now on my website: >>>>>>>>>> PeterFiekowsky.com >>>>>>>>>> All the processes for climate restoration are now getting underway, >>>>>>>>>> and don't require government assistance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BR >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 2:52 PM Ron Baiman <rpbai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Colleagues >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the podcast I've been talking about to some of you >>>>>>>>>>> recently: >>>>>>>>>>> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ship-tracks-termination-shock-simons/id1529459393?i=1000550593731 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's their draft paper: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356378673_Climate_Impact_of_Decreasing_Atmospheric_Sulphate_Aerosols_and_the_Risk_of_a_Termination_Shock >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Simon et al (presumably) get some version of this paper >>>>>>>>>>> published, it could be the centerpiece of, for example, strong >>>>>>>>>>> support for MCB to offset the sulfur with benign sea salt aerosols, >>>>>>>>>>> as it would provide direct evidence of the impact of >>>>>>>>>>> warming/cooling effect of marine cloud brightening from aerosols. >>>>>>>>>>> It also, needless to say, highlights the need for any and all other >>>>>>>>>>> types of direct cooling intervention. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups "NOAC Meetings" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>> send an email to noac-meetings+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/noac-meetings/CAPhUB9C_RptW6t79b8ZXEZz6dcj_f%2BZNFk9DY_P7_%2BXgqXV%3DNw%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Peter Fiekowsky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Foundation for Climate Restoration Founder and Chairman Emeritus >>>>>>>>>> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the >>>>>>>>>> flourishing of humanity. Climate restoration 2021 Book summary >>>>>>>>>> (650) 776-6871 Los Altos, California >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Peter Fiekowsky >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Foundation for Climate Restoration Founder and Chairman Emeritus >>>>>>>> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the >>>>>>>> flourishing of humanity. 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