Great, that's helpful, thanks Ron.

Josh

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 2:28:07 PM UTC-4 rpba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> As far as I know it was in response to a general call for comments (see 
> intro to the HPAC response) here: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rByAkb7rBO8f5lMCKUcMqJPlaFuhftNi/edit
>
> I don't know of any documents from the OSTP or the USGCRP on the proposed 
> research program that have been publicly shared. 
>
> Best,
> Ron Baiman (HPAC OSTP response drafting committee) 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM Josh Horton <joshuah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Obviously I'm late to this conversation, but I have a quick question for 
>> those of you who were engaged -- were the comments many of you submitted in 
>> response to a draft plan or something similar made available by OSTP, or in 
>> response to a general call for thoughts on research and research 
>> governance?  I assume it was the latter, but if it was the former can 
>> someone please pass along any relevant documents?  Thanks.
>>
>> Josh Horton
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 2:14:25 AM UTC-4 Sev Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> My submission was:
>>>
>>> *THREE CLIMATE SOLUTIONS*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Introduction. *As harnessing industry is likely to be key to prompt 
>>> and effective climate action and investment, the text in blue bold below 
>>> indicates some of the industrial applications of the three conceptual 
>>> technologies. Some of them should be profitable. Most await independent 
>>> assessment, modelling, development, governance and deployment. Supporting 
>>> documentation is available on request. The three technologies are currently 
>>> under active investigation by a consortium of renowned research institutes.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Buoyant Flake Ocean Fertilization (BFOF)* is designed to nutriate 
>>> oligotrophic surface waters with the necessary nutrients. Rice husks rich 
>>> in opaline silica are coated in waste minerals containing iron, phosphate 
>>> and trace elements using hot-melt lignin glue derived from straw or woody 
>>> waste and a leavening agent to provide buoyancy. Reactive nitrogen is 
>>> provided by nutrient-supplemented cyanobacteria that convert atmospheric 
>>> nitrogen and CO2 into biomass. The flakes are pumped pneumatically from the 
>>> holds of bulk cargo ships thinly over the sea surface, into which flake 
>>> nutrients leach out over a year before the husks disintegrate and sink.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Modelling should be able to establish the theoretical cooling effect 
>>> provided by increasing the albedo of these waters by increasing their 
>>> phytoplankton concentrations. Modelling and experimentation should also be 
>>> able to estimate the increase in marine biomass that would likely be 
>>> generated by such supplementary fertilization, together with its beneficial 
>>> effects on ocean de-acidification and the moving downwards (sequestration) 
>>> of the carbonaceous material contained in marine faeces, dead organisms, 
>>> marine ‘snow', flake residuals, and the bicarbonate released by bacterial 
>>> and chemical action. It has been estimated that this could sequester from 
>>> 6-13GtC/yr in the ocean depths - at very low cost, or even profitably.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The ultra-slow release of nutrients into nutrient-poor, and increasingly 
>>> stratified, surface waters should allow a rich and stable marine ecology to 
>>> develop. Furthermore, it would tend to prevent eutrophication and toxicity 
>>> from occurring. The effectiveness of this proposed method has recently been 
>>> given a major boost, as it was realized that krill and other diel, 
>>> vertically-migrating (DVM) species form an Active Carbon Pump that, when 
>>> supplemented by increased phytoplankton numbers fed by the minerals 
>>> released by the buoyant flakes, could release sufficient carbon-rich faecal 
>>> pellets and respiration at depth fully to offset annual anthropogenic 
>>> carbon dioxide emissions.  *The commercial opportunities offered by 
>>> this technology lie mainly in the additional fish catch or fishing 
>>> royalties that it could provide. In time, independently-verified carbon 
>>> credits might also become monetizable from proven carbon sequestration. The 
>>> increase in ocean cooling albedo caused by the solar-reflecting 
>>> phytoplankton and their cloud-thickening emissions is unlikely to be 
>>> monetizable, though beneficial to the biosphere and humanity. *
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Floating* Seatomizer* (seawater atomizing) units, powered by offshore 
>>> wind farms, could spray seawater into the lower atmosphere to humidify the 
>>> air, form high-albedo marine cloud, cool the surface water, restore coral 
>>> reefs, increase off-planet heat flow, and irrigate the land with 
>>> additional, gentle precipitation. BETE’s commercial spray nozzles, when 
>>> adapted to use higher and triphasic pressures, might generate droplets in 
>>> the right size distributions to produce sea salt aerosols, cloud 
>>> nucleation, atmospheric humidification up to the point where saturation 
>>> occurs, marine cloud forms or thickens, and rainfall or snow may be induced 
>>> to fall at predetermined distances downwind - saving crops, forests, and 
>>> homes. Performed in arctic warm seasons, ice albedo and thickness could be 
>>> protected. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Anchored arrays of Seatomizer units should be able to have significant 
>>> regional cooling effects on the warming waters that power extreme weather 
>>> events. The main effect is to increase the rate of evaporation of seawater, 
>>> its turbulent uplift, and the subsequent long wave radiation of its 
>>> released vapour heat content, on condensation, into space. A recent 
>>> extension of this technology would allow for iron salt aerosols (ISA) to be 
>>> sublimated to generate photocatalytic aerosols that destroy harmful 
>>> atmospheric methane, black carbon, ozone and smog. *Economically 
>>> cooling selected marine waters, including those related to sensitive 
>>> mariculture operations. Desert re-greening.*
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>> The ice thickening concept of* Ice Shields* is designed to refreeze 
>>> those parts of the polar and subpolar oceans that have been progressively 
>>> losing ice for the last several decades, as well as to sequester surface 
>>> ocean and atmospheric CO2 and O2. The means used are cold-adapted, 
>>> commercial floating wind turbines powering seawater pumps to thicken, and 
>>> possibly ground, sea ice by up to seventy metres per year. Ice shield array 
>>> growth should: increase global albedo and cooling; stabilise the polar 
>>> vortex; save the ice sheets and the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current 
>>> (AMOC); strengthen the marine biological pump; and help to control seabed 
>>> methane emissions. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The carbon dioxide and oxygen sequestration in the depths would result 
>>> from the gases’ concentration in the fast chilling and salinating seawater 
>>> brine flowing intermittently in thin sheets and rivulets down the 
>>> gently-inclined, conical ice shields (like lava) and off them into the sea 
>>> to sink by density rapidly to the seabed. The arrays of ice shields could 
>>> eventually cover most of the polar regions and subpolar seas, leaving only 
>>> open water for polynyas and surface marine passage by ships and wildlife. 
>>> The brine flows would sequester for up to centuries the atmospheric 
>>> CO2 dissolved in them, as it would react with seabed carbonates (shells, 
>>> bones and limestone) to form benign, dissolved bicarbonate. The additional 
>>> oceanic oxygen and cooling would be beneficial to most marine life.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The thermals resulting from the heat released by the freezing seawater 
>>> would convect ocean heat energy directly to the tropopause, whence it would 
>>> radiate, almost unhindered by the otherwise-insulating GHGs, into deep 
>>> space. In the non-freezing seasons, the seawater pumps could be applied to 
>>> spraying low-micron, seawater droplets into the atmosphere so that it 
>>> formed ice-protecting cloud cover. Some of the spare power might also be 
>>> used for Seatomizer-like methane destruction by ISA. *As corporate 
>>> involvement is likely to be an essential component of this solution, 
>>> profits might be derived from government contracts, carbon credits, coastal 
>>> stabilization, habitat protection, renewable Arctic wind power sufficient 
>>> to power most of the northern hemisphere, and the harvesting of ebullient 
>>> Arctic methane.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 8:57:15 AM UTC+10 Andrew Lockley wrote:
>>>
>>>> If anyone has drafted comments it would be great to see them here. 
>>>>
>>>> A 
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 23:53 Ron Baiman, <rpba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Request for Public Comments:*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2022, the White House Office 
>>>>> of Science and Technology Policy 
>>>>> <https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/legal/> (OSTP), in coordination with 
>>>>> relevant Federal agencies, was directed by Congress to develop a 
>>>>> five-year 
>>>>> “scientific assessment of solar and other rapid climate interventions in 
>>>>> the context of near-term climate risks and hazards. The report shall 
>>>>> include:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    the definition of goals in relevant areas of scientific research;
>>>>>    2. 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    capabilities required to model, analyze, observe, and monitor 
>>>>>    atmospheric composition;
>>>>>    3. 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    climate impacts and the Earth's radiation budget; and
>>>>>    4. 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    the coordination of Federal research and investments to deliver 
>>>>>    this assessment to manage near-term climate risk and research in 
>>>>> climate 
>>>>>    intervention.
>>>>>    
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> OSTP recognizes the importance of this research topic. With the 
>>>>> assistance of the U.S. Global Change Research Program, OSTP is offering a 
>>>>> brief comment period to enable public input while also providing a timely 
>>>>> response to Congress. The focus of this plan will be on research 
>>>>> associated with climate intervention, and comments are being requested in 
>>>>> that context only.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Input should be narrative only (i.e., no figures, graphics, or 
>>>>> attachments), should be limited to 1,000 words, should respond to the 
>>>>> Congressional direction above, and should relate either to one of the 
>>>>> four 
>>>>> categories listed in legislative language or more generally to climate 
>>>>> intervention research.  Input must be submitted by 11:59 PM ET on 
>>>>> September 9, 2022.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted, Aug 19, 2022
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Notice, 
>>>>> https://www.globalchange.gov/content/request-input-five-year-climate-intervention-research-plan
>>>>>
>>>>> Individuals interested in submitting comment should visit 
>>>>> contribute.globalchange.gov
>>>>>
>>>>> *HPAC Submission*
>>>>>
>>>>> Healthy Planet Action Coalition USGCRP RCI Comment 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Healthy Planet Action Coalition is a diverse international group 
>>>>> of scientists, engineers, technologists, and public policy experts active 
>>>>> in relevant fields spanning all aspects of climate change.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are united by a determined and informed optimism that a threefold 
>>>>> approach can prevent climate catastrophes and restore a more benevolent 
>>>>> climate. We call this approach “The Climate Triad”. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Climate Triad of  Direct Climate Cooling (DCC), GHG Emissions 
>>>>> Reductions, and Greenhouse Gas Removal (GHGR) works as a complementary 
>>>>> system to stabilize and moderate the climate and ultimately restore a 
>>>>> safe, 
>>>>> healthy, and sustainable planet. Creating this system requires a 
>>>>> collaborative, inclusive, and expedited research program with a priority 
>>>>> focus on direct climate cooling. HPAC offers these recommendations 
>>>>> for the development of such a program. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) The definition of goals in relevant areas of scientific research
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> The Healthy Planet Action Coalition calls on the White House to set 
>>>>> direct climate cooling, greenhouse gas removal and emission reduction as 
>>>>> co-equal priorities. An overall goal of keeping temperature rise below 
>>>>> 1.5°C could be achieved by a primary focus in this decade on cooling 
>>>>> technologies to increase planetary albedo, cut radiative forcing, and 
>>>>> implement other methods for direct climate cooling. Urgent direct climate 
>>>>> cooling is now necessary to reduce current and near term human and other 
>>>>> species harm and risk from current and near term future levels of global 
>>>>> warming. Due to this urgency, we ask that the proposed five year research 
>>>>> and implementation plan, depending on the method, be accelerated to one 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> two years. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> The following is a menu of proposed climate cooling approaches that we 
>>>>> suggest merit early consideration and responsible investigation with 
>>>>> actions that can be monitored and reported on: 
>>>>>
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Buoyant Flakes
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Cirrus cloud thinning
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Fizz Tops (Fiztops)
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Ice Shields to thicken polar ice
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Iron salt aerosol (ISA)
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Making building and paving material more reflective and planting 
>>>>>    trees in urban areas.
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Marine algal bloom stimulation
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Marine cloud brightening
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Mirrors for Earth's Energy Rebalancing (MEER)
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Ocean thermal energy conversion
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Restoring natural upwelling and kelp forest ecosystem services 
>>>>>    offshore
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Restoring soil and vegetation
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Seawater atomization (Seatomizers)
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI)
>>>>>    - 
>>>>>    
>>>>>    Surface Albedo Modification (SAM)
>>>>>    
>>>>> Short summaries for most of these methods written or reviewed by 
>>>>> climate cooling experts cited in the document are available here: 
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TowThwi6j6cX3iLGBRrj22D30cYhKa_9/edit
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Relevant scientific research on direct climate cooling methods and 
>>>>> technologies  currently being conducted include marine cloud brightening, 
>>>>> stratospheric aerosol injection, sea-ice freezing, ocean thermal 
>>>>> energy conversion, ocean and glacier microspheres, terrestrial and 
>>>>> atmospheric mirrors, cirrus cloud thinning, iron salt aerosols, and white 
>>>>> reflective rooftops and streets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Refreezing the poles should be a global climate priority in support of 
>>>>> national and international security, biodiversity protection, and 
>>>>> reducing 
>>>>> extreme weather and sea level rise.  US encouragement of COP27 in Cairo 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> set goals on albedo and biodiversity would sharpen research priorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Capabilities required to model, analyze, observe, and monitor 
>>>>> atmospheric composition
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> A direct climate cooling program will require major capabilities in 
>>>>> atmospheric science, enabling scientific experts to provide direct advice 
>>>>> to government and industry on priorities and findings. Modeling, 
>>>>> analysis, 
>>>>> observation and monitoring of the atmosphere must guide climate 
>>>>> intervention priorities and programs. Research, testing and deployment 
>>>>> strategies require high level scientific skills in universities, 
>>>>> supported 
>>>>> by public and private investment.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> A way to encourage investment in cooling expertise is to introduce 
>>>>> direct climate cooling credits as a more immediate climate offset than 
>>>>> carbon credits.  Coordination of atmospheric science with governance 
>>>>> systems is essential to enforce ethical standards, ensure safety and 
>>>>> consultation through transparent and accountable planning and delivery, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> link with international diplomacy on programs such as refreezing the 
>>>>> Arctic.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Climate impacts and the Earth's radiation budget
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> A focus on cooling technology is the best way to mitigate climate 
>>>>> impacts and improve the Earth’s radiation budget in the near term, 
>>>>> alongside ongoing work on emission reduction and GHG removal as they take 
>>>>> effect over the longer-term. The best overall measure of climate impacts 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> radiative forcing, the excess of incoming over outgoing radiation at the 
>>>>> top of the atmosphere. Government and private funds should be applied to 
>>>>> methods that most effectively cut radiative forcing.  Augmenting the 
>>>>> current carbon credit system with a system of direct climate cooling 
>>>>> credits  would better cost the temperature impact of emission reduction, 
>>>>> greenhouse gas removal and direct cooling technology. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> (4)  Coordination of Federal research and investments to deliver this 
>>>>> assessment to manage near-term climate risk and research in climate 
>>>>> intervention.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> The USA should coordinate with other nations to develop a cooperative 
>>>>> international program to refreeze the Arctic Ocean. Domestic US resources 
>>>>> should be mobilized to support coordinated global and regional climate 
>>>>> cooling. Arctic Amplification (with up to four times the temperature rise 
>>>>> of the equator) and the role of Arctic sea-ice in regulating climate 
>>>>> through the jet stream and ocean currents make the Arctic Circle the most 
>>>>> serious planetary warming risk and cooling priority.   Substantial 
>>>>> cooling 
>>>>> of the Arctic must be complemented by similar cooling of the Antarctic to 
>>>>> achieve a stable global climate benefit. Ongoing disruption of these 
>>>>> planetary systems is a major climate security risk, whereas action to 
>>>>> reverse the disruption has benefits for peacebuilding, biodiversity and 
>>>>> mitigation of warming.  Climate security should be integrated with 
>>>>> military 
>>>>> security as part of national strategic priority setting and risk 
>>>>> assessment.  Diplomacy through the Arctic Council and COP27 and other 
>>>>> relevant international bodies should engage on the urgency of cooling the 
>>>>> pole, laying a foundation  for the USA to work with other interested 
>>>>> governments to test and deploy methods that will help reverse the current 
>>>>> warming trend.  Coordinated research and investment can be promoted by 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> USA taking a strong stance at COP27 and in other relevant international 
>>>>> forums in favor of assessing direct cooling technology and refreezing the 
>>>>> Arctic Ocean.
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