On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Bryce L Nordgren wrote:

>
> *snip*

> Patrick, close your eyes.
> Jody:
> public static final String SLAVE_LABOR = "Grad student";
> public static final String SWEAT_SHOP  = "University";
> public String PROJECT_WORKER = SLAVE_LABOR + " in " + SWEAT_SHOP ;
> Ok, you can open them again, Patrick. :)
>
*blink*
What'd I miss?

>> I do need to wonder about 2a) - I work with a service "handle" to
>> connect renderer to their data.
>> It cost me more then $107 to come up with something similar to the  
>> above
>> design, but I am afraid my personal budget is pinched
>> on this one.
>
> That was US$.  It's probably like a million Canadian$. :)
>
> One way or the other, Patrick's getting a copy.  I think it makes  
> sense
> from all standpoints to see a worked example before we go too far.  If
> Patrick's doing this for his thesis, he needs to understand it  
> inside and
> out.  Perhaps he would be willing to write up a wiki page with a  
> couple of
> usage examples prior to doing any coding?  Of course, we'd have to  
> give him
> time to read/digest it, then construe an example.  Part 1 of the  
> wiki could
> be an introduction to the data model so that everyone's on the same  
> page
> (19117 is a really simple spec: 3 packages/10 classes).  If  
> PROJECT_WORKER
> believes this to be out of scope, but would still like to pursue  
> 19117/GT
> (sounds like a car), I can see what I come up with.  Of course, if
> PROJECT_WORKER chooses a different path, it's not very worthwhile  
> to make a
> wiki about 19117.
>
Patrick has ordered a copy of the ISO 19117 standard. Somewhere I  
managed to scare up the hojillion ($107) pieces of cash to buy the  
stuff. It's not that big either, I am disappointed. :)

As for doing this as my thesis, I think that it is in fact what I  
want to do. I'll need to restructure a few things (change of scope  
etc.) with my advisors and ensure that I have an 'out' if things get  
out of hand, but the rewards that I could reap are worth the risk and  
work. That however, is between me and my advisors. So I guess I begin  
with reading and grokking all there is to know about ISO 19117, yes?

> I think that whatever we do, working through progressively more  
> complex
> examples (start with Points, end with wind barbs) is critical to
> understanding both the capabilities and limitations of the  
> framework, and
> determining if it meets the wind barb needs.

Getting these examples up and going is after the pluggable interface  
has already been coded, right?

>
>> Match Making:
>> - look up of PortrayalService - just based on portrayal service
>> metadata? Or does the portrayal service have a chance to poke at the
>> data before reporting back?
>> - same question but based on style metadata - (configuration in your
>> summary)
>
> I think they may have a different concept of matchmaking, e.g. get  
> a human
> involved the first time you encounter a feature.  You can record  
> what the
> human does and reproduce it later on.  Take wind barbs: they can be
> represented as vector components or as a magnitude and direction.   
> Either
> way it's probably represented as arbitrary numeric feature  
> attributes.  But
> a person can look at the data and say "use the 'wind_dir' attribute  
> as the
> 'direction' parameter and use 'wind_speed' as 'magnitude'."  19117  
> even has
> hooks to remember which features have been mapped.  Most metadata  
> is human
> readable and should be helpful if presented in a dialog box during the
> "wiring process".
>
> This is pretty much like SLD.  The human specifies exactly what  
> fields are
> rendered by which renderer, and records it in a way that the  
> computer can
> read it.  The main advantage to 19117 is that it's not limited to
> predefined renderers.
>
So, could/would XML be used to get the human involved and tell the  
code which renderer to use, and which attributes to attach to which  
feature? Perhaps I shouldn't worry about details like this yet...

*snip*

Enough questions out of me. :)
-Patrick




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