Sweet thanks for the feedback ... going to try again this evening. As for the Joel reference I actually use his painless software schedules and test for software maturity articles. Did not try his user interface book yet ... > Hey Jody, > > While you think and organize in generics (subjects) it's not going to > get eager people to fill a room. You want to give real examples of each > topic, "...shows how gt helps you lead your friends to the best local > ice cream joint." > > > Geotools Today / Geotools Tomorrow > Building with Geotools / Building more Geotools > I am trying to make the second talk a bit more hard hitting risk/reward thing for those planning to deliver software using geotools. > some misc. ideas. > Nifty, I tend to over think these things. Should probably include a bit of humour ... > We'll talk about Geotools showing how we can combine the different > elements to create maps, talk to databases, run transctions against a > Web Feature Server, run efficient quieries and water the household > plants... > Oh sensor alert service! >> We will also cover the supported plug-ins, >> >>> and extensions >>> that enabled GeoTools to tackle a wide range of day to day operations. >>> > "day to day operations"? make it exciting, "how to get 3000 employees to > agree on what roads to fix next. > I would like to convey that the extensions like graph, validation, and mappane are where geotools actually starts to break out and help (rather then just make things possible at all). >>> GeoTools is a Java toolkit used in both desktop applications and web >>> services. The library provides a complete software stack for handling >>> spatial data, >>> > complete? what kind of complete? read, write, transform, merge... what > does it do? > > > 1) it's free, free for you to do whatever you want with, even include it > in software you sell. "buisness" friendly? no, freedom friendly which is > a great way to do buisness! > > You and me need to have a serious fight about Freedom some day. Not Open > source mind you, but real freedom. > Heh, I think am on the ball there. I can hardly claim LGPL is "free", business friendly is not a bad compromise. I want to grab some decision makers here, allow them to feel informed and make a decision. I suspect I will be the only talk of this kind, if I had more guts I would do something along Paul Ramsey s talk about evaluating *any* open source project, and then just use GeoTools as a hapless victim.
Bleah I should probably do that it would be more useful to those at the conference then knowning about Feature Model compromises between ISO/GML3/Java ... > cool, how? > > You get the idea. You are talking to some mega competent programmers, > some buisness types, some .... You want to take the stance that you will > be sharing with them how to get some cool new software written, to work > in a new way using spatial information, making some money along the way > and changing the basis of buisness. > Trying to put that in context with last year.... There were some mega competent programmers around, but the chance to talk to them occurs in the halls, the Q&A section, the bar and animated clusters blocking the halls. I think who I need to go after is the decision makers, the programmers we will win through competence, the decision makers we will win by being balanced, mature, and relevant. > Gt is struggling with the same problems we all are, dealing with the > complexity of spatial information, figuring out interoperability between > organizations whose data models are vastly different (complex > +types)...Together, Gt developers have assembled a great library, > flexible enough to do..., powerful enough to cook breakfast. > > The Gt struggle is as interesting as its success since these are the > unanswered questions in the geospatial field: how do we collaborate, > interoperate, make money... (you might go after the fact that its going > to take free software to provide the reference implementations of all > the int'l standards since none of the commercial vendors will agree to > let the other be the official standard.) > Good point, it is nice that GeoServer is having another crack at being a reference implementation - now we just support enough to let Justin really go for it. Combining many of these ideas will put us ahead of the game, and GeoServer can put us front and center. If only I had a budget for strategic planning ... > Anyone who's already thinking about Gt will come to your talks if you > call yourself 'a lead developer of the library' or some such. Its the > others you want to drag in. > Heh, good point did not think to describe myself... > Gt is a viable platform for long term development: > 1) activly being used by important, commercial products > 2) Free (and free of licensing risk) > well we are working on that one ;-) > 3) standards based > Falling a bit behind here, I can not tell the whole store of the OWS workflow right now :-( > 4) well written > and this one :-) > Sorry to criticise so much. Hoping you can make your blurbs fun and > informative rather than corporate-dry. > Point taken, will try again this evening - for now back to my day job. Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Geotools-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel
