My objection to this email is that it implied (to me at least) that the Geotools PSC was endorsing this fork. When it was not, it is was one PSC member who decided to fork.
Apologies if my email was taken as a personal attack of any kind, it was not intended to be. Forking is part of open source life, i know that. I would just ask for the proper etiquette to be shown here. Maybe there is no such proper etiquette for such a case but if I were going to fork a project I would not announce it on their users list. There are other forums appropriate for informing geotools users. Blogs, press releases, etc... Even an one paragraph email saying "Hey, we are forking, here is the link" I would not have had an issue with. Anyways, I do not wish to continue to debate this. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the quality of work of Martin and the rest of the geotoolkit team. Best of luck to you all. -Justin Vincent Heurteaux wrote: > Hello Justin, > > By starting this discussion you probably know that it will make more > advertising to Geotoolkit mmmmh ? > >> Am I the only one who feels that making Geotoolkit announcements on >> this list is inappropriate? I understand that you have your reasons >> for forking, and I respect that. But this fork was in no way >> authorized or approved by the GeoTools PSC. > The fork is allowed by the licence itself, it does'nt need to be > authorized or approved by whatever PSC ! > >> This is just my opinion, but this seems more or less like an attempt >> to poach resources from the GeoTools community, which I have serious >> issue with. > Ok, ok, I'm a bad guy, but this announce is geotools related, and > geotools community should be informed about what's going on around the > community no ? > Users are free to do wathever they want, we'll not stealing them against > their will after all. > >> Many people have put a lot of hard work in building the geotools >> library into what it is. You have publicly stated that the end result >> of this work is "not good enough" in so many words. Doing that and >> then using resources that those same people have worked long and hard >> to build goes against the spirit of good will that we are trying to >> maintain. > Don't you hear the troll comming ? ... > > ... but no, everything has been told in the Geotoolkit pre-announcement > on GT-devel, so it doesn't sound reasonable to start an other endless > flamewar. > > All the best, > > Vincent > > >> The other PSC members may disagree with me here, but I would prefer >> that you use other forums for making these sorts of announcements. >> >> -Justin >> >> Vincent Heurteaux wrote: >>> We are pleased to announce the new free software project Geotoolkit >>> which is building a world class, standards based, Java language code >>> library for geospatial applications. >>> The Geotoolkit web site is available at >>> http://www.geotoolkit.org/ >>> which is automatically generated from the code itself. >>> Geotoolkit is free software. Daily builds of the project as binaries >>> and source code bundles are available from the project web site. The >>> code is licensed to anyone for any use except that re-distribution >>> comes with some minor responsibilities designed to ensure the same >>> freedoms for the recipients. The code is currently licensed to all >>> users under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License >>> version 2. The code copyright is assigned to the Open Source >>> Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo). The source code is available to online at >>> http://hg.geotoolkit.org/ >>> and can be obtained using the mercurial distributed version control >>> system with the call: >>> hg clone http://hg.geotoolkit.org/geotoolkit/ >>> which will provide users with a fully independent copy of the >>> repository including the full history of the project itself and able >>> to generate locally a working copy of any revision. >>> Geotoolkit is based on standards shared broadly by the geospatial >>> community. Geotoolkit leverages the GeoAPI project which defines Java >>> language interfaces for the standards published jointly by the >>> International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and the Open >>> Geospatial Consortium (OGC). The core Geotoolkit library currently >>> implements the following standards: >>> ISO 19103 Geographic Information --- Conceptual schema language >>> ISO 19115 Geographic Information --- Metadata >>> ISO 19111 Geographic Information --- Spatial referencing by >>> coordinates >>> while extensions implement: >>> ISO 19108 Geographic Information --- Temporal schema >>> OGC 05-078r4 OpenGIS Styled Layer Descriptor Profile of WMS --- >>> sld >>> OGC 05-077r4 OpenGIS Symbology Encoding Implementation >>> Specification --- se >>> and there are plans to implement more of these standards and their >>> profiles. >>> Geotoolkit aims to be clean and well designed. The library should >>> build and deploy a full version of the code every day, including the >>> maven jars and artifacts, the project web site, and the API javadocs. >>> The code should open in the major Integrated Development Environments >>> without errors or warnings (except where such warnings are wrong). >>> All public code should be correctly documented, must follow the >>> design of the Java language, and should be designed properly for >>> method and field access, class inheritance, and code reuse. >>> Geotoolkit is built on the strengths of the Java language. The >>> library follows the architectural design of the core Java library so >>> as to provide the Java programmer with a familiar programing >>> environment. The library exploits recent improvements to the language >>> syntax for improved code quality. The library aims to run on the >>> recent, high performance virtual machines developed by the major >>> providers of Java implementations for maximum performace. >>> Geotoolkit uses the Mercurial distributed version control system. >>> These systems such as Git, Bazaar, and Mercurial have recently swept >>> the free software world due to a fundamental technical superiority >>> over previous generation systems. Among the advantages of these new >>> systems, they allow every developer to be the master of their own >>> destiny, unfettered to advance in any direction they see fit and able >>> collaborate with anyone in any way they choose. Mercurial is one of >>> these systems, recently chosen by Sun for its work on Java, by the >>> Python community for hosting the Python code, by the Mozilla >>> foundation for hosting the Firefox project, and by several other >>> major projects. >>> Project goals will be targeted to making the library as good as it >>> can be rather than meeting any technical or marketing need of any >>> third part project. The library will aim to provide regular releases. >>> The project will develop, as the user community grows, a formal >>> process by which contributions can be integrated to the central >>> repository. >>> The governance model for Geotoolkit has not yet been finalized but it >>> will aim to separate out the community management aspects of >>> governance from the technical decisions. >>> Geotoolkit hopes to become a project of the Open Source Geospatial >>> Foundation (OSGeo). It has formally asked to be accepted for >>> incubation with the foundation which is the usual preparatory step >>> for projects wishing to be accepted by the foundation. >>> Several projects already use the Geotoolkit library. The >>> Constellation web server (http://www.constellation-sdi.org/) provides >>> high-performance web services conformant with the CSW, SOS, WMS and >>> WCS specifications of the Open Geospatial Consortium based on >>> Geotoolkit. The MDWeb project (http://www.mdweb-project.org/) >>> provides both a server for metadata conformant with CSW-T and a web >>> client based on the capabilities of Geotoolkit. The MapFaces project >>> (http://www.mapfaces.org/) provides a framework for building web >>> clients based on the geospatial infrastrcture and local rendering >>> capabilities provided by Geotoolkit. The desktop client Puzzle GIS >>> (http://puzzle-gis.codehaus.org/) uses Geotoolkit as its base >>> library. We also know of one comercial application already being >>> built using Geotoolkit. >>> Geotoolkit is a fork of the GeoTools library. Geotoolkit retains the >>> long term goal but differs in its work approach: keeping the >>> fundamental requirement of user freedom but restoring an emphasis on >>> code quality, following closely the improvement of the Java language >>> itself, leveraging new tools for decentralized collaboration, >>> affirming the independence of the project from any specific user >>> community, and restructuring the governance model. >>> Anyone interested by the Geotoolkit library, by our goal of building >>> a great Java language geospatial library, and by our vision for a >>> distributed, collaborative project should look at the Geotoolkit web >>> site, browse the javadocs API documentation, clone the source code >>> repository to build and tinker with it, try out the commandline >>> tools, and see if the project suits their needs. Projects which are >>> based on GeoTools today can be ported to Geotoolkit relatively easily >>> using a migration tool in Geotoolkit, other geospatial projects will >>> have to evaluate how to transition towards the ISO/OGC spatial data >>> schema and the GeoAPI interfaces. >>> Vincent Heurteaux >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Register Now & Save for Velocity, the Web Performance & Operations >>> Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of >>> expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry >>> leaders in dedicated Performance & Operations tracks. 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