Hi everyone,

First of all, thank you for the responses and feedback to my comments last
week. Please note that, then and now, I offer my thoughts in the spirit of
this list’s purpose. For that reason, I wish to (try to) remain brief and
speak as I see this discussion relating to matters of education and
knowledge production on global environmental politics.

Thanks to Dr. Lipschutz and others who responded privately for offering
your thoughts and experiences. I appreciate the fact that these discussions
- regarding the relationship between climate change politics and the
discipline, critical theories of capitalism and climate politics, etc. -
have been going on for many decades (since at least the 1970s), and indeed,
have been integral to the formation of global environmental politics as a
disciplinary subfield of political science and IR. And many (if not most)
of you on this list have made important contributions to my own knowledge
and understanding about the subject.

I also note that discussions about the relative marginalization of
environmental politics within the discipline are nothing new either: in
1993, Steve Smith wrote that “Powerful reasons, essentially political in
nature, may keep the environment on the periphery both within the practice
of international relations, and within the academic subject of
international relations… Environmental scholars, and environmental issues,
may be marginalised unless the fundamental relationship between knowledge
and power is addressed.”

Certainly, we may take issue with many of Smith’s specific diagnoses, and
note that much has changed in both the “practice” and “academic subject” of
global environmental politics over the past quarter century. And yet, as
someone finishing their PhD in political science in 2019, it is striking to
me how much of Smith’s analysis bears out. If anything, the importance and
salience of international environmental politics *as* a matter of (global)
politics has only become more significant; what hasn’t changed
proportionately, it appears, is environmental (and climate) politics status
along the “periphery” of our discipline(s) - at least in IR and political
science that is.

This question of disciplinarity - that is, to what extent it *is* in fact a
problem for knowledge production in general whether political science (or
for that matter, any particular discipline in general) ‘leads’ in the
production of knowledge on climate change politics - is of course a tricky
one. Here all I can do is simply reiterate the rather puzzling, and indeed
paradoxical, fact that much of what counts as the cutting edge of research
on climate change politics, one of the most pressing political issues of
our time, is not coming from the “core” of political science, but rather
its peripheries - or even from other fields, including but not limited to
(human) geography, sociology, anthropology, history, among others.

As far as I can tell, this (justifiable) hand-wringing over the
marginalization of environmental issues in general and climate change in
particular is more or less unique to political science and IR. Elsewhere,
you will find environmental politics much closer to the core of the field,
as a respective subfield on par with other subfields (as in the case of
political ecology within Geography or Anthropology), and/or you will find
the top journals of the field with environmental issues front and center
(e.g. the journal Environmental History is one of the top journals in all
of the discipline).

Again, this is not say that there isn't great work being done on climate
change politics from political science and IR, nor that there aren't great
efforts being made to change these circumstances (the WPSA conference on
climate politics for example) - it's just that we need more! And here I
recognize I'm largely preaching to the choir - the problem you could say is
that we're the exception, not the norm in our field. This isn't to praise
or to condemn, but rather to ask: what can we do to change these
circumstances? How can we ensure that (arguably) the greatest political
challenge we've ever faced - the crisis of climate change and its related
disasters - is no longer relegated to the margins of our field?

There's obviously lots of things that can and perhaps ought to be done, in
addition to continuing already great work, but given the purpose of this
list, and speaking on behalf of my experience as someone reaching the end
of my formal training in this field, I would encourage us to think in terms
of the education and training we can provide to young scholars in our
field. I recognize and appreciate the contributions that have already been
made, including in the original post that sparked this discussion. But I
would like to ask also to consider two points that could help address this
situation in political science which I observe being done in other fields:
1.) That we (re)consider the role and place of the critique of capitalism
and environmental politics; and 2.) That we (re)consider our roles,
responsibilities, and relationships with subaltern movements in the field.

Regarding point 1.), if we look at the treatment of climate politics in
several of the leading journals of other disciplines, I think on the whole
we find that "critical" approaches to political economy are taken more
seriously, or at least given a more substantive engagement. Perhaps my
proximity to human geography (a field more radical than most) skews my
perspective a bit, but it is evident to me that not only have Marxist
approaches to the environment had very productive research programs and
engagements with what we might consider more 'constructivist' approaches to
nature/society relations, but there are active and ongoing debates that
political scientists would do well to engage more with. Also consider the
ongoing series in New Left Review on "Debating Green Strategy" that has
seen productive engagements between advocates for a Green New Deal,
degrowth critics of Green Keynesianism, and eco-feminists. Not only do we
need more political scientists in these debates, but we also need more of
these debates within political science. And this means that we need to be
able and willing to teach these approaches to our undergraduates and
graduate students, but we also need to be able to facilitate that
engagement by reading across disciplines and fostering questions that
engage these debates.

Regarding point 2.), the question about our relationship with the subjects
of our inquiry, is another long and old one. For which I will just say
this: I find it more productive to think of it predominantly as a
methodological question, specifically one that turns on the nature of
fieldwork. For me, going into the field and actually engaging directly with
those participating in climate politics as well as those most directly
affected by climate politics (ie frontline communities) was like turning
night into day: it's not just merely another way of gathering and producing
data but it literally changes how we perceive and engage with the world,
including the questions we ask. Again, this is nothing new to us:
fieldwork, especially critically engaged work with movements and
communities, has a long and rich tradition in our field of environmental
politics. But, speaking as a political scientist, I'd say that relative to
our colleagues in geography, anthropology, and sociology, the training and
expectations we receive with regards to fieldwork - or how to relate to our
subjects in the field - pales in comparison. (It was the geographer on my
committee, not the political scientists, who pushed me to go into the
field.) And the normative and practical questions of fieldwork methodology
- including with respect to the legacies of colonialism and empire in our
fields - are not as present or central in the leading journals, and by
extension, coursework and training in methods.

This is not to say that fieldwork is the end all be all methodological
solution - but rather, to try and think about where our questions come from
and "to what end" are they oriented. I would ask us to consider whether or
to what extent the types of questions we ask might have real and practical
implications for not just other academics or even "policymakers" but
frontline communities struggling for climate justice. These should be at
the forefront of our minds as we not only engage in this research, but as
we train graduate students and future scholars on these issues.

I also say this to illustrate how the marginalization of environmental
politics in political science goes hand in hand with the marginalization of
critical approaches in political science more generally. Accordingly it is
also to suggest how we might think about addressing this: a good place to
start would be to look at our colleagues in Race, Gender, and Identity
Politics, many of whom are also Environmental Politics scholars. There has
been a long and hard-fought battle to ensure that Race, Gender, and
Identity Politics is taken seriously as a subfield in the leading
departments; that students have opportunities to take courses and
specialize in these fields (from faculty members who are specialists too);
that the top journals have editors and reviewers capable of evaluating the
quality of work in that field, etc. Rather than fighting to assimilate to
the mainstream, these scholars have fought to bend the mainstream towards
them. And so, we ought to benefit not only from more engagement between
Environmental Politics and Race, Gender, and Identity Politics
perspectives, but that we might also learn a thing or two about how to
adapt the mainstream to us, rather than adapt to the mainstream.

To conclude, I will again quote Smith's (1993) essay: "My contention is
that environmental specialists should never underestimate how much
entrenched power is behind the organs of state power that they are
implicitly or explicitly attacking. The academic community of environmental
scholars is very aware of this situation... but even then there is a
tendency to work within a pluralist framework which... assumes exactly what
needs to be confronted... In short, there is little in the way of critical
analysis in the environmental literature."

Warmest regards,
-Reed

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ronnie Lipschutz <rlip...@ucsc.edu> wrote:

> Dear Reed,
> As someone who has been engaged in such things for 40 years, I can assure
> you that there is nothing new in your observations (for political science
> as well as the larger American academy).  And in the current environment of
> revived Red-baiting, I cannot imagine this changing in the future.
>
> Yours cynically,
> Ronnie Lipschutz
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:42 AM Reed M. Kurtz <rmkurt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Jessica and Stacy, first of all, thank you for sharing this.  This is
>> really great to see at Duck of Minerva!
>>
>> If I may, I would like to briefly add my thoughts - and I will preface
>> this by saying that I just submitted my dissertation to my committee for
>> review, so I've had a lot of this bottled up for a while! :)
>>
>> The first thing to note is that I absolutely agree with the authors that
>> “Climate change is arguably the most urgent problem facing humankind. It is
>> not a single policy problem, but rather pervades all aspects of state and
>> society – affecting everything from geopolitics to local planning. Yet, one
>> is hard pressed to reach this conclusion given the current landscape of
>> political science… Excellent work appears occasionally in premier journals
>> on the variety of political questions that climate change raises.  But
>> given the centrality of politics in contributing and responding to the
>> climate change problem, there is not enough of this work and — critically —
>> much of it occurs outside the central discourses and journals of our
>> discipline.”
>>
>> And yet, as someone who is just now finishing my dissertation on the
>> politics of climate change - for a PhD in political science - after
>> spending the better part of 5+ years working on this, I have come to the
>> realization that this is symptomatic of a bigger issues/problems in our
>> discipline - that is, the relative absence and/or marginalization of
>> perspectives that emphasize the critique of capitalist political economy at
>> the heart of our politics. That is, our discipline is failing to grapple
>> with the legacy of Marxism. (For just one recent example of this, I will
>> highlight my colleagues and comrades Kevin Funk and Sebastian Sclofsky’s
>> 2017 piece “The Specter That Haunts Political Science: The Neglect and
>> Misreading of Marx in International Relations and Comparative Politics”).
>>
>> Now, that is not to say that political scientists and IR scholars have
>> not been aware of this - Peter Newell and Matthew Paterson, for example, as
>> early as the late 1990s were among the most prominent to highlight the
>> central role that capitalism is playing in organizing our international
>> political economy and climate politics. However, to be blunt, at least with
>> the release of their latest book (”Climate Capitalism”) they have all but
>> abandoned Marxist critique: I apologize for the brief/paraphrasing, but
>> IIRC they basically argue that capitalism is here to stay, for the
>> foreseeable future at least, and thus it’s necessary to consider what needs
>> to be done *within* the constraints of the capitalist system to make
>> “progress” on this issue. (Again, please excuse the truncated review!)
>>
>> Suffice it to say, as someone just beginning to work on this issue, and
>> as a “young person” who will ultimately likely see most of the worst that
>> is yet to come, over the next 40+ years (ie far beyond the point that the
>> IPCC tells us we need a “rapid transition” away from fossil fuels), this is
>> *not* an acceptable response.
>>
>> If you go to the frontlines of the climate justice movement, or even just
>> read their greatest texts (e.g. “This Changes Everything”), you will see
>> that the frontline communities (especially in the Global South) take
>> capitalism and Marxism very seriously. You don’t have to go very far,
>> reading between the lines to find a critique of capitalism and its politics
>> (including the capitalist nation-state system, UNFCCC, etc.). It’s right
>> there at the core: “System Change, Not Climate Change!” Or to put it
>> another way: “Ecosocialism or barbarism!”
>>
>> There’s a lot more to say about this, but please excuse my brevity (and
>> I’ll also add that at the authors’ behest, I would be more than happy to
>> write a more extended and detailed response!). But I would encourage us to
>> think deeply and critically and reflexively about our own roles here!
>>
>> With warmest regards,
>> -Reed
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:35 AM Jessica Green <jf.gr...@utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gep-Ed colleagues,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a minor correction: it’s in the Duck of Minerva!  Thanks to Josh
>>> Busby for agreeing to publish it.  It might be a useful overview for grad
>>> students (with lots of citations!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jessica F. Green
>>>
>>> Associate Professor, Political Science
>>>
>>> Author, *Rethinking Private Authority
>>> <https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10148.html>*
>>>
>>> jf.gr...@utoronto.ca
>>>
>>> @greenprofgreen
>>>
>>> https://green.faculty.politics.utoronto.ca
>>>
>>> 416.978.6758
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> stacy.vandev...@umb.edu>
>>> *Reply-To: *"stacy.vandev...@umb.edu" <stacy.vandev...@umb.edu>
>>> *Date: *Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM
>>> *To: *Gep-Ed <gep-ed@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject: *[gep-ed] PoliSci & Climate Change
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gep-ed Colleagues,
>>>
>>> With the tireless leadership of Prof. Jessica Green, our co-authored
>>> piece on Political Science & Climate Change
>>> <https://duckofminerva.com/2019/08/changing-the-atmosphere-in-political-science-ten-key-political-questions-about-climate-change.html>
>>> was published on the MonkeyCage today.
>>>
>>> --sv
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Global Governance and Human Security
>>>
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>>>
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