prof bothun is correct that climate change cannot be prevented. will is correct in thinking that, even so, policy and politics matter. that both of these claims are true was an important theme of my 2015 book: Reason in a Dark Time: Why the Struggle Against Climate Change Failed -- and What It Means for Our Future https://www.amazon.com/Reason-Dark-Time-Struggle-Against/dp/0199337667 ********************** Dale Jamieson Professor of Environmental Studies and Philosophy Affiliated Professor of Law, Affiliated Professor of Medical Ethics, Affiliated Professor of Bioethics Director, Center for Environmental and Animal Protection New York University 285 Mercer Street, 7th floor New York NY 10003-6653 https://as.nyu.edu/content/nyu-as/as/faculty/dale-jamieson.html <http://philosophy.fas.nyu.edu/object/dalejamieson.html>
Recent Article: "Climate Change, Liberalism, and the Public/Private Distinction," uncorrected proofs available at https://www.academia.edu/45641562/Climate_Change_Liberalism_and_the_Public_Private_Distinction_with_Dale_Jamieson Recent Book: Oppenheimer, Oreskes, Jamieson et al - *Discerning Experts: The Practices of Scientific Assessment for Environmental Policy* https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo33765378.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__press.uchicago.edu_ucp_books_book_chicago_D_bo33765378.html&d=DwMFAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=-IBJ8YBLYgii3eEbxyAKeucJCE23Kl_XdOh-xwlk-ew&m=UOnfEAoGkJb7dnOm7rS_MqCptdPBQrp2RHoiqMU4_ls&s=YQDcKgIo4-RAR6wzXaqSMOXL5a82mfGj_6gtGCM_6qk&e=> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:07 PM Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> wrote: > Here’s a direct quote: “Personally, I have long believed that climate > change, in the form of severe regional weather, > > has been upon us for the last ten years so I find it counterproductive to > have students deal > > with "politics and policy to prevent climate change". > > > > That strongly implies that one shouldn’t spend time on mitigation issues. > > > > wil > > > > > > > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=-IBJ8YBLYgii3eEbxyAKeucJCE23Kl_XdOh-xwlk-ew&m=_lyL64BGXexmxEUZLyiy-l1Di74G5w9vt47TL1bj3ms&s=3wRT2HMlCgRHB6N9zwM-LkVTE8dTfTUA6T8g1hHhblc&e=> > > *WIL BURNS* > > Co-Director & Professor of Practice > > Institute for Carbon Removal Law & Policy > > American University > > > > Email: wbu...@american.edu > > Mobile: 312.550.3079 > > > > 917 Forest Ave., #3S, Evanston, IL 60202 > > > > https://www.american.edu/sis/centers/carbon-removal/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.american.edu_sis_centers_carbon-2Dremoval_&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=-IBJ8YBLYgii3eEbxyAKeucJCE23Kl_XdOh-xwlk-ew&m=_lyL64BGXexmxEUZLyiy-l1Di74G5w9vt47TL1bj3ms&s=G7B1M5PEfsweajSilfvb_xghKCpZs3gmdQe1rT_kjls&e=> > > > > > > *Want to schedule a call? 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Chatrchyan <amc...@cornell.edu> > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2021 7:55 PM > *To:* Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> > *Cc:* Prof. G. Bothun <big...@gmail.com>; Kate O'NEILL < > kmone...@berkeley.edu>; 'GEP-Ed List <gep-ed@googlegroups.com>; > essfo...@aessonline.org > *Subject:* Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises? > > > > You might want to keep the snarky tone out of the email responses. We’re > all aware of how drastic climate change is and how insufficient the > response is. We’re all trying to work on this issue and teach students to > take it seriously, and force governments to act. I don’t think he said he > teaches with a “singular focus on adaptation.” > > Kind Regards, Allison > > > > On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Wil Burns <w...@feronia.org> wrote: > > > > I believe it’s a fundamental mistake to teach climate change in this > fashion. Professor Bothun is assuredly correct that climate change > manifestations are upon us, and substantially more is “baked in” given the > fact that models indicate that temperatures would rise an additional 0.8C > even if we all crawled into caves today. Having said that, however, the > policies and measures that we take to decarbonize the global economy, and > our time schedule for doing so, will have a profound impact on whether we > ultimately hold temperatures to 2-3C above pre-industrial levels, or end up > in the RCP8.5 worst case scenario territory, with temperatures rising 4-5C. > So, the focus here is not on “preventing climate change,” but rather > “preventing the worst possible manifestations of climate change.” > > Also, a singular focus on climate adaptation is likely to lead some > students to believe that we can “live” with large amounts of climate > change, which is much more the case for well-resourced nations such as the > United States than most developing countries. For many countries in the > South, full-throated mitigation policies by major emitters are critical, > and I think it’s important in simulations to have students explore these > options, and the equitable arguments for compelling more aggressive > mitigation measures by the top 10 emitters. > > > > wil > > > > > > > > <image005.jpg> > > > > > > > > *WIL BURNS* > > Visiting Professor > > Environmental Policy & Culture Program > > Northwestern University > > > > Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu <william.bu...@northwetsern.edu> > > Mobile: 312.550.3079 > > > > 1810/1812 Chicago Ave. > > Evanston, IL 60208 > > https://epc.northwestern.edu/people/staff-new/wil-burns.html > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__epc.northwestern.edu_people_staff-2Dnew_wil-2Dburns.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=-IBJ8YBLYgii3eEbxyAKeucJCE23Kl_XdOh-xwlk-ew&m=_lyL64BGXexmxEUZLyiy-l1Di74G5w9vt47TL1bj3ms&s=KRXtWAdrJqkqg6K6fznQX2uvCeczt3T7tZtbrjiGEas&e=> > > > > > > > *Want to schedule a call? 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Bothun <big...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2021 4:02 PM > *To:* Kate O'NEILL <kmone...@berkeley.edu> > *Cc:* 'GEP-Ed List <gep-ed@googlegroups.com>; essfo...@aessonline.org > *Subject:* Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises? > > > > I have done similar exercises but have had the most success by having > groups adopt countries and analyze > > > > a) what the main effects of climate change will be on their country and how > > might that impact GDP > > b) what kinds of adaptations can be done to cope with these changes > > c) what is a likely financial cost, in terms of fractional GDP > > > > Personally, I have long believed that climate change, in the form of > severe regional weather, > > has been upon us for the last ten years so I find it counterproductive to > have students deal > > with "politics and policy to prevent climate change". I find it more > productive to have them focus on the issues of a) climate change is here, > b) what kind of adaptation needs to occur, c) what > > policies must come into place to make it significantly worse (it will get > incrementally worse regardless of what we do now). > > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:47 PM Kate O'NEILL <kmone...@berkeley.edu> > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > (Apologies for cross-posting) > > > > I hope wherever you’re at in the year is treating you well. I am teaching > an on-line and asynchronous summer course right now, and because why not, I > have them doing a mock climate negotiation. There are only 40 students, > they’ll be in groups of 10 (10 countries in each), and they have a complex, > 4 article resolution to discuss. I’m a bit worried about the final part > where they discuss and debate positions and try to come up with an > agreement. But we can’t do anything live, it’ll carry on over 3-5 days as > they add to discussion posts as and when they can. Has anyone tried this? > Any tips on getting conversations started and keeping them going? Or apps > you’ve used to facilitate these/keep discussions focused? > > > > They are doing opening statements with zoom backgrounds from their > assigned countries! > > > > I’ve called it a climate “politics” exercise, not a “negotiations” one, as > they’ll be reflecting as they go, and we don’t have time for the full-on, > regular semester version. 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