this is what you sent:

>>Ok, here is a genetics guess! I have a female that
according to the breeder is "either" a Champangne OR
an argente nutmeg. . . since these two colors look
nothing alike to me, I am wondering what she is. Here
are the "clues":

     1. She has an orangish head and tail, and there
is very faint orangish "ticking" over her body;

     2. She has red eyes;

     3. She has been bred to a silver schimmel and
every single pup currently with her is either a
schimmel, a Silver nutmeg or a DEH from appearances.
Her breeder did mention that she will have argente
nutmegs, also, but all the pups currently with her
have dark eyes (I gather my male is PP)

     4. I see NO spot on the end of her tail.

Clearly she carries an ef in order for any of her pups
to be efef. Is it possible that the ef, combined with
the pp, modifies her base color (like the ch gene is
further modified by the pp in doves?)and she is
"really" an argente nutmeg (aka Red Fox) but looks
like a Champaign?

What do you folks think?<<

you also said that the parents were a silver nutmeg
with an e(f) modifier and a red fox.  so this is my
best guess.

The parents would be :
Silver Nutmeg - aaPpC*ee(f)gg
Red Fox - aappC*eeG*

unless the red fox carries a rec g, all the pups would
be either red fox or nutmeg, half carrying a e(f)
modifier.  Unless one of the parents was spotted or
the red fox also carried an e(f) the female you have
could not be a Champagne.

The is further born out by matin her to the silver
schimmel.  Obviously she carries a rec g to get
silever nutmegs.  so her genotype is prolly:

aappC*ee(f)Gg

with the silver schimmel having : --P*C*e(f)e(f)gg

the different colors you could get would be the three
you mentioned as well as Polar Fox, Nutmeg, and Silver
Schimmel.

also, your silver scimmel also is an Aa.  it's the
only way you could get DEH and silver nutmeg in the
same litter from those parents.

How's that for a guess?  anyone have a problem with my
deductions?  I think I did it right, it was trying to
find the genotype of a silver schimmel that was hard.
:)

hope this helps!

RW

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