On Wed Apr 6 01:31:11 BST 2016, I wrote:
To all list members: Please refrain from the obvious
suggestion d4x should either upgrade to a MS supported
Windows version or change to an Open Source OS;
this is not the intent of my post!
On Wed Apr 6 13:12:40 BST 2016, David Woodhouse replied:
Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a real computer.
... Sadly, I am no more a kid; and despite my plea,
you couldn't resist it, could you?
... And I have to agree with C E Macfarlane that I found
your tone there slightly offending...
I try my best to be civil in my list posts, I do
acknowledge I may have had my bad moments
during the five years I frequent this list, but in
general I try not to offend the other person...
Remember, I started this thread as a service
to a fellow user of GiP (in the UK) who,
for some reason, can't access this list...
To the issue at hand now - you wrote:
Your message of Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:45:59 +0300 was rejected
because of missing/broken threading headers -
you were attempting to reply to a list message,
but your own message lacked the required In-Reply-To: /
References: headers which contain the threading information.
Well, that was exactly what I was trying to do -
I may be at fault here, but you were so quick to
jail me without parole. The way I attempted to do that
in my (now decommissioned) WinXP box was the
same way I have always done it in my Vista laptop,
and it always worked! But some background is
needed - it can be found in this Apr 2011 thread:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2011-April/001240.html
I wrote:
(2011-04-02)
I am basically reading the mailing list from the archive (it comes in two
incarnations, i.e.
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2011-April/date.html &
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html),
I have both formats arranged by "date")
(snip)
I am using Windows Mail, which is the native e-mail client of my OS
(WinVista SP2 x86), when I send an e-mail to
[email protected]
my mail starts a new thread...
(snip)
For this specific mail, I selected the e-mail & thread Shevek started from
within the archive (version 1) & clicked on the e-mail address on top,
underneath the subject...
... and you replied:
(2011-04-02)
This time it was correct; I suspect you used *my* archive. If you go to
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2011-March/001193.html
and let your mouse hover over the address at the top, you'll see that
the mailto: url contains '...&In-Reply-To=<AANLkTi...' which means that
your mailer *does* get the threading information right in your reply.
But the mailto: URL you get when you use the button on mail-archive.com
is broken; it doesn't include the In-Reply-To: header. And it even
bypasses my 'Re: in Subject but no References' filter, because it
doesn't include 'Re:' in the subject either!
As long as you use *my* archive to reply, and not the broken one on
mail-archive.com, you should be fine.
... So, to recap, on my obsolete XP desktop (it no longer stores any
list messages, they have been backed up and exported to another machine),
I opened the infradead list archive in Firefox, chose my post:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-April/008848.html
then clicked my e-mail header (as I am used to) to post a test
message inside the existing thread.
Default mail client was opened (MSOE 6.00.2900.3664),
"send" button was pressed!
Test e-mail has bounced back! That's it!
After your explanation, it appears that Outlook Express 6
does not carry over the "In-Reply-To:" header from Firefox,
(present in infradead archive), so mail is rejected by list!
With regards to
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2016-April/008878.html
(which seems to have aggravated you - and someone else -
disproportionately) it was a final test I needed to conduct today,
to see whether my own (obsolete) copy of MSOE 6 could
successfully start a new thread in the list - it was a one-off
thing that I had no intention whatsoever to keep on doing...
So I find your reprimand ("Please stop doing this")
unnecessarily austere...
Over the course of the years, I think I have a good record
of not starting OT threads or not polluting the list in any other way,
so if I need from time to time to perform a test,
it should not be such a major issue...
The outcome of my tests:
MSOE 6 on WinXP => clicking the mailto: link
of a posted message in the infradead archive
(opened in Firefox) does not seem to work -
starting a new thread does.
Windows Mail on Windows Vista=> clicking
the mailto: link of a posted message in the infradead
archive (opened in Firefox) works as expected.
In the end, yes, you are probably right -
Microsoft appears to be at fault here!
Many thanks to Richard Cole & C E Macfarlane
for taking the time to test/post.
BTW, d4x has replied back with more info
related to his inability to access the list -
details will be posted inside a separate mail...
Regards,
Vangelis.
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