Dear Laurent, Duncan, Mathieu, Facundo, Edsko

I have spent a little while digging into *static pointers* recently.  See
my post below.   I wonder if you have any comments on my proposal?

Do you know anyone else I should consult?

Thanks!

Simon

On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 at 18:13, Simon Peyton Jones (@simonpj) <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Simon Peyton Jones <https://gitlab.haskell.org/simonpj> created an issue:
> #26556 <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/26556>
>
> Static pointers are not properly implemented. For example:
>
>    - #26545 <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/26545>
>    - #24464 <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/24464>
>    - #24773 <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/24773>
>
> among others. Moreover, the implementation is very messy, scattered about
> in FloatOut and elsewhere.
>
> Let's fix it.
> <#m_5415477730196602759_discussion>Discussion
>
> I embarked on what I thought would be a simple refactor to
>
>    - Identify static bindings in the type checker
>    - Promote them to top level desugarer
>
> thereby avoiding all the terribly painful static-form-floating stuff that
> been an ongoing source of breakage and irritation.
>
> Sadly it was not as simple as I had thought. Merge request !14994
> <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/14994> is my work in
> progress
>
>    -
>
>    At first it seems simple: given static e
>    - When typechecking e ensure that all its free variables are top-level
>       defined
>       - When desugaring, move e to top level
>
>    Apparently simple!
>    -
>
>    *Complication 1*. e might generate constraints. We don't want to solve
>    those from locally-bound Givens, because they'll be out of scope when we
>    promote to top level.
>
>    Solution: wrap the constraints in an implication with SkolInfo of
>    StaticFormSkol; and in the constraint solver zap all Givens when
>    walking inside such an implication. That was done in
>
>    commit 39d4a24beaa7874a69ffdc1528ca160818829169Author: Simon Peyton Jones 
> <[email protected]>Date:   Tue Sep 30 23:11:19 2025 +0100  Build 
> implication for constraints from (static e)  This commit addresses #26466, by 
> buiding an implication for the  constraints arising from a (static e) form.  
> The implication has  a special ic_info field of StaticFormSkol, which tells 
> the constraint  solver to use an empty set of Givens.
>
>    So that complication wasn't at all bad.
>    -
>
>    *Complication 2*. What if we have
>
>    f x = let y = reverse "hello" in ...(static (y++y))...
>
>    The free vars of the static are just {y}, and y is morally-top-level.
>    It in turn has no free variables.
>
>    Sadly (as it turns out) GHC tries to accept this case. When looking at
>    the defn of y (with no static in sight yet) the typechecker marks it
>    at a "static binding", meaning that it too can (and indeed must) be floated
>    to top level.
>
>    So if the desugarer moves the static to the top level, it must move y
>    too. And that means it must mark the typechecked binding in some way, so
>    the desugarer can identify it. Not so hard, but there is quite a bit of new
>    plumbing.
>    -
>
>    *Complication 3*. But what if y's RHS generates constraints, which use
>    Givens (or solved dictionaries, which are very similar) from its context.
>    E.g.
>
>    f x = let p = x+1::Int; y = 2+3::Int in ...
>
>    Now there may be a d :: Num Int lying around from dealing with p, and y
>    may use it. Oh no! Now that'll be out of scope if we move y to top
>    level.
>
>    Plausible solution: use them same mechanism for static bindings as we
>    did for static e expressions. That is, build an implication constraint
>    whose SkolInfo says "zap Givens". This turned out to be considerably harder
>    to implement than it was for Complication 1.
>    -
>
>    *Complication 4*. What if y is not generalised, perhaps because of the
>    Monomorphism Restriction? e.g.
>
>    f :: Num a => a -> blahf x = let y = 3+3 in (x+y, static( ..y.. ))
>
>    Now y is monomorphic and really does use the dictionary passed to f.
>    So it really cannot appear in the static. Somehow y really isn't
>    static after all. We must reject this program. Not only is it an
>    implementation mess (Complications 1,2,3 are already imposing quite a
>    signficant implemenation burden) but it becomes pretty hard to explain to
>    the programmer just which uses of static are OK and which are not.
>
>    What a swamp. At this point I threw up my hands and wrote this summary
>
> <#m_5415477730196602759_proposal>Proposal
>
> To me the solution is clear: the rule should be
>
>    - *in static e, all the free vars of e should be bound at top level*
>
> That is a nice simple rule; it is easy to explain and easy to implement.
> It is also what the user manual says!
>
> In retrospect, by addressing Complication 2 I was trying too hard! (And
> this extra feature is entirely undocumented.) I thought that I could deal
> with Complication 2 using the same mechanism as the one that deals with
> MonoLocalBinds. But I was wrong.
>
> Making this change could perhaps break some programs. They would all be
> easy to fix, by moving bindings for any free variables to top level. But
> note that the status quo is not stable: it has bugs e.g #24464
> <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/24464>, #26545
> <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/26545>. What we have is at
> attempt to be clever that is simply wrong.
>
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