Vincent Geddes wrote: >On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 08:18 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: > > >>It's not a good design, it's monkying gazpacho. Anyway, >>I just wanted to make sure that you know about those "10%". >>If majority loves single window, then you of course go single >>window. >> >> >Yes, it is "monkeying" gazpacho (if you say so) and /all/ the other gui >designers that have a single window design. I don't know if you have >noticed, but there aren't exactly many gui designers that have a >multiple window design. > This is irrelevant because: 1) So what? 2) Glade is there and works fine; 3) Adobe Photoshop is the best graphics ever, and uses single window design. Its single window thing is still horror (this is about "others do this"); 4) etc.
I am saying that glade is hard to use with single window; you are saying that this hard-to-use property is everywhere, so glade should be hard to use too. >I can't think of any myself (besides glade). >KDesigner, Visual Studio, Netbeans, Gazpacho, and Gideon are just >prominent examples of gui designers that use the single window design. I >think that says something about the popularity (and hence usability) of >the single-window design. > > Netbeans, Gazpacho, and Gideon are not "prominent" examples of anything. And no, it doesn't say anything about popularity. Something can be popular or not popular if there is a choice. If there's a choice between two things equivalent in all but one detail, then you can talk about popularity of that one detail. But come on, how can you say that single-window is popular because KDesigner is used a lot? Of course KDesigner is used by all KDE folks, it's the only kde ui designer. And of course no one would rewrite a thing written by *QT* just because he wants fancier windows. And, let me guess, QT uses single-window because it's how it should be on Windows. Not because of some usability studies or some "popularity". >Right now that 10% is you alone. No one else has come to us to voice >dissatisfaction with the new design. Hopefully, this thread will >encourage others to come forward to voice their concerns. > > *Users* do not read this list. *Developers* are likely to like any fancy stuff they see. >>But I wonder, have someone actually tried to work with such >>UI? I did, in gazpacho, and it sucked. You can't use glade >>right now because of fancy bugs with click-does-nothing. >>So people "commented" on how it looks, not on the actual >>interface. >> >> >> >Yes, thats right, we are now in unstable development. If you want to use >glade3 for production use, please use the glade3 3.0.2 stable >release :). > > You didn't address the point here - no one commented on *usability* of single window layout. I questioned "10%" percents thing (not that I think majority likes multiple windows, I also heard many people have resolution bigger than 1024x768). >>Heh, "excellent". Well, let's call gdl excellent or even usable. Still, >>it has nothing to with glade, right? So, we can snip last two >>paragraphs, and stick to 10% thing. >> >> >> >I was mentioning it as a possible solution to your valid concerns about >the shortcomings of the new ui (namely the inflexibility of the tree and >props editor). > > It is not a possible solution, because glade will not depend on gdl, or will it? Regards, Yevgen _______________________________________________ Glade-devel maillist - [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/glade-devel
