Guys, thank you for the kindness.
I'm now getting somewhere.
Sorry I was such a pain.

Please point people with difficult questions to
https://productforums.google.com






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On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 6:19 PM, || ΣΖΟ || <manostie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks Zack,
>
> Ok when you are able to log in and then are still aware of where Google
> hides the stuff.
> But for someone who gets locked out 100% that still would not work.
>
> I used the feedback option in adsense the other day , but without feedback
> to me it still feels like writing on a wall in a dark alley.
>
>
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> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Jeff Grossman <j...@stikman.com> wrote:
>
>> I just did a Google Search for "Gmail Support" and the first link was the
>> Gmail Help Page (https://support.google.com/mail/?hl=en#topic=3394144).
>> That page offers lots of helpful links.  On the right side of that page is
>> a link that says Help Forum (
>> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmail) which sends you to
>> the official Gmail support page.  With two clicks you should have been able
>> to find the official Gmail support page.  I'm not sure if Google
>> representatives are active on that page, but I would venture to guess that
>> they do.
>>
>> I don't agree that Google should give away direct support for their free
>> products.  Find me another company that offers free direct support for a
>> free product they are offering.  You are going to be hard pressed to find
>> something like that.
>>
>> We have a pretty nice group of friendly users on this list that are
>> always willing to offer assistance.  But, the person with the issue needs
>> to understand that we are just users like they are they need to give as
>> much information about the problem as they can so we can help.  It is all
>> in how the question is presented.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:38 AM, || ΣΖΟ || <manostie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And if you do search for 'gmail support' do you then find any real
>>> support?
>>> Where you can ask a real question to a real person?
>>>
>>> All the links I get send you around in circles.
>>>
>>>
>>> So you really think that someone who is pissed and looking for support
>>> for a long time will even bother to search for and read a whole page of
>>> yadda yadda?
>>> Really? Sure the rules where there, I never came across them, I didn't
>>> even know there where rules.
>>>
>>> And ok they are now a great thing to put me in a corner.
>>> With many BILLIONS of ads in all those hundreds of millions of Gmail
>>> accounts there sure will be a budget for support.
>>> And the ads are not the only thing google uses to monetise on its users.
>>> So I'm sorry, I don't agree. With all the 'automated self support' they
>>> offer there for sure should be room for questions that the support system
>>> didn't cover....
>>>
>>> With all the money and technology that google has in house you don't
>>> have to make an excuse for them to not being able to do this and use money
>>> as a reason.   $5/month is just fee to remove ads distractions. So they
>>> should be just as happy with the money they now make with the ads in the
>>> accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>> But ok, you made your point. Though I do hope that somehow google looks
>>> into this and finds a decent solution.
>>> Even Chinese websites have better support... It's also a mess, but they
>>> at least managed to offer real support. Even for non critical questions.
>>>
>>> Now don't say that manpower is cheaper there...  :-)  It is, but that's
>>> not the point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Marko Vukovic <marko.vuko...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:59 AM, || ΣΖΟ || <manostie...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm no longer pissed, but Google still has room for improvements.
>>>>> It is not my fault that google has a lax approch when it comes to
>>>>> support.  For that reason I landed in the wrong forum...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​I don't know how you managed that, if I do a Google search for 'gmail
>>>> support', I do not get this group in the results​, at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to be a burden, but i'm certainly not the last who will end up
>>>>> here by 'accident'
>>>>> And also not the last one who is going to be pissed ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree you can't help it either. but Google can... So lets hope that
>>>>> google reads along and looks for a solution so that other people don't 
>>>>> HAVE
>>>>> to drop in by accident, pissed, cursing and ranting.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​I have been on this list for some years now, nobody has just dropped
>>>> in here by accident doing that.​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have not noticed any tagline, but ok again, it was there somewhere.
>>>>> And in my email it is not.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​You might want to look at the list rules too.
>>>> ​https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail-users/qxjXDb5zpP4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, it this issue was some kind of attack, then the person who did it
>>>>> had a bit of a succes...  But it would have been cooler if that person
>>>>> would have send me an email. Now I still don't know why it happened.  And 
>>>>> i
>>>>> could then have looked to solve the problem.
>>>>> Just like Google could have solved something if they would have been
>>>>> more easy to reach. (May I call that evil?)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​It's pretty simple. With hundreds of millions of free Gmail ​users,
>>>> there is no way to offer direct support.
>>>> ​For $5/month, you get direct support and no ads. I don't think that's
>>>> too unreasonable.​
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