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From: Mohamed Osman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:49:29 PM
Subject: [gmx-users] box size for simulation of membrane protein

My questions: 
1. Protein is closer to one edge than the other.  Does this make any 
difference?  
   The solvants are part of equilibritaed lipid.

-Shouldn't do.  It's still the same distance from its periodic image on each 
side, which is what matters.  As long as it's in the correct place in the 
bilayer, I don't believe there are any 'edge effects' in the implementation of 
PBC in gromacs you need to worry about.

Along protein axis:
   a.  The periodic image is 1.43 nm away.   (along protein axis) 
   b.  The distance between the protein and its mirror image is:     0.8 nm  on 
one side and 2.0 nm on the other side?   (These affect PME - coulmb 
interactions).  Will these cause trouble?

-The minimum protein-image distance is all that matters.  It doesn't matter how 
close the protein is to one side of the box - if it's closer on one side, it's 
further on the other.  Unless you mean different distances on the x and y axis?
-As far as I know, PME sums out to infinity, so you can't really change that.  
BUT:

2. Is it necessary to keep the protein at least 1.5 nm away from the edges 
normal to z-axis?  This more than doubles the number of solvant molecules.    
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I have simulations with less than 50,000 atoms (protein, solvants, and KcsA).  
But no one realy says much about the box sizes.   

What is the common practice?  Please give examples?
and 
How much compromise is acceptable ?  
-The official requirement is for the minimim distance from protein to its 
periodic image to be double the cutoff, so that no atom feels forces from more 
than one image of the protein.  However, you can probably get away with 
reducing that minimum distance to slightly more than the cutoff (1.5nm in your 
case) which just stops the protein from interacting with its own periodic 
images.  Most people work on this basis, on the grounds it probably doesn't 
matter if the water molecules are 'feeling' more than one protein.  It's a 
judgement call really, depending on how badly you want it to run faster vs how 
much you lose by making it do that.


"It is common to compormize in this respect  !!!"






Thanks
Mohamed Osman 

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Professor of Electrical Engineering
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-2752


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