Hi Justin,

The .pdb I sent with my last e-mail was a result of trying to add 500 molecules. The max of 168 were added and then genconf couldn't add anymore despite the large vacant space. Trying to add more molecules to this .pdb won't work. This is what makes me think the space was somehow inaccessible.

If I carry out an mdrun on this structure, the NO molecules distribute themselves into this empty space. If I take the structure file following MD I can add an extra 24 molecules with genbox.

The worry is not for these small NO molecules where I can use MD to create more space. I am also trying to insert larger organic molecules and if parts of the unit cell are seen as inaccessible I won't be able to get the molecules in there in the first place.


Jenny




Quoting "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalem...@vt.edu>:



Jennifer Williams wrote:

Hi Justin,

Thanks for the response (again!).

I would be happy if genbox inserted molecules randomly (within the box defined by my .pdf file) but the output doesn't look random but subject to some strange (symmetry?)constraints which don't allow random insertions into some areas of my unit cell.

The molecules will crowd into one space leaving another portion of the cell completely empty. The inserted molecules assume the shape of a box whilst the rest of my structure is a triclinic cell.

One pic is probably worth a thousand words. I've attached a .pdb of the final structure. I'd appreciate if you could tell me if this is normal output for genbox,


I see nothing wrong with it.  Looks like genbox started adding
molecules on one "side" of your box, and continued adding until it
reached 100, then stopped. Looks like you simply have more than enough
space to add more of your NO molecules, that's all.  The molecules are
all within the unit cell, so I see no issue.

If you want a more homogeneous distribution of NO, you may have to come
up with a different method.

-Justin

Thanks very much

Jenny




Quoting "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalem...@vt.edu>:



Jennifer Williams wrote:
Hi,

I have a strange problem when I try to insert small molecules into my cell using genconf. Here the cell is a crystalline metal-organic framework with lots of space for the molecules inside. The edges of the metal organic framework defined the pbcs.

When I view the final structure, the inserted molecules appear to have a different symmetry to that of the MOF/cell. They notieably avoid some empty regions inside the box and are inserted outside regions of my triclinic cell. The inserted molecules don?t occupy a triclinic shape at all.

I have used this feature before on a similar triclinic cell and it worked perfectly. I can?t tell what I am doing wrong this time.

I outline the steps I take below.

1. I am trying to insert a number of molecules of NO into a triclinic crystal cell. The pdb file of the crystal cell has the following cell parameters.

CRYST1   25.885   25.885    6.806  90.00  90.00 120.00 P 1           1

This is the pdb file of the small molecule I am trying to insert:

CRYST1   25.885   25.885   27.2232  90.00  90.00 120.00 P 1           1
HETATM 1 NNO NOO 1 1.150 0.000 0.000 1.00 0.00 N HETATM 2 ONO NOO 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 1.00 0.00 O
CONECT    1    2
END

I use the following commands:

To centre the cell:
editconf -c -f  MOF.pdb -o MOF_centered.pdb

To make a 1x1x4 box ( I need to increase the length in z) so that I can use sensible cut-offs later on

genconf -nbox 1 1 4 -f MOF_centered.pdb -o MOF_4c.pdb


To add the NO molecules:

genbox ?cp MOF_4c.pdb -ci NOO.pdb -nmol 100 -o inserted_NO.pdb

Any ideas appreciated as I have been going around in circles.



When using genbox -ci, there is no guarantee of any type of symmetry.
It inserts molecules randomly, wherever it finds space.  I don't think
you're doing anything wrong, I think you're just encountering a
limitation of genbox.

-Justin

I am using gromacs 4.0.7

Thanks

Jenny



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